Txiki Begiristain

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Have we been paid for Jovetic yet? Where is that sicknote now

 

[MeatHunterrr]

Have we been paid for Jovetic yet? Where is that sicknote now

Inter have obligation to buy in Jan 2017

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Inter have obligation to buy in Jan 2017

Lets hope its watertight because I have just been reading that he may be on the move again as Inter "Are keen to avoid paying Manchester City a 14.5m fee!"

 

[franksinatra]

Well you say no offence - but then state that what I suggest is ridiculous - did you mean the first part?

I am looking forwards - and for me Txiki's priority this last couple of months has been to get in the players Pep wants in and to get off the scene those he does not want around - Txiki seems (IMO) to have done 10 out of 10 in that regard (setting aside YaYa as a special case)

Some may want him to achieve what I consider a score of a fictional 15 out of 10 by selling them as well - or perhaps an even more fictional 25 out of 10 for selling them for amounts that we unqualified fans decide that we should be able to get.

In previous years Txiki has been responsible for getting in the players that Pellers wanted - and now we have to shed those - we do not know the operating parameters Txiki is given but my guess would be his priority has been to support Pep in all he wants - we have waited for him for a long time - and worry about the deadwood later.

If you consider the percentages we are paying of loan players wages - the total does not come to a stupid amount when compared to the cost of a decent player - so for less than the cost of one player we have moved out of Pep's way a number of distractions. For all I (and I respectfully suggest you) know perhaps Pep stated that a priority was to get people away - and Txiki is doing his job by effecting that.

I genuinely do not mean any offence but I do think a number of fans just live in a bubble and think that this sort of business is like playing some game - and that all you have to do is state what you want and some club will give it to you. I would suggest the state of many clubs other than City (and City in the past) shows that it is not that simple - I am very glad to have Txiki running these matter

Like I said I am perfectly happy with his signings (as an outsider looking in) and bringing in Pep was a real coup so he quite rightly deserves the plaudits for his work on the recruitment side this summer.

With regards outgoing players we are suffering the same issue we do each summer that due to the contracts the players are on and how much we overpaid for them, even in an inflated market, buoyed by a huge tv deal, we are unable to sell.

I dont think it is living in a bubble to highlight when you have paid 42 million for a player two years ago and now he is being sent out on loan and your subsidising the wages that is not good business practise. Like wise for Bony 18 months ago.

These deals are not ideal for City as the only thing which happens is the player gets older, nearer to the end of his contract and typically his value falls as a consequence.

You are correct though we do not live in a theoretical world where clubs offer the price you wish for.

What actually happens is clubs look at your players capability, assess there wages and determine if by purchasing them they would get value for money and improve the team. The fact we have to subsidy players, we paid 42 and 26 million for in the last two years for other clubs to be interested highlights the failings of those transfers as does the fact we have paid 42 million, 32 million and 47.5 million to resolve the centre half issue over the last three summer transfers.

Still Its been a great summer in recruitment and although Ive laboured the point (to explain my view) I think overall he deserves the plaudits but to suggest he has done well in sales is pushing it a bit imo.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Like I said I am perfectly happy with his signings (as an outsider looking in) and bringing in Pep was a real coup so he quite rightly deserves the plaudits for his work on the recruitment side this summer.

With regards outgoing players we are suffering the same issue we do each summer that due to the contracts the players are on and how much we overpaid for them, even in an inflated market, buoyed by a huge tv deal, we are unable to sell.

I dont think it is living in a bubble to highlight when you have paid 42 million for a player two years ago and now he is being sent out on loan and your subsidising the wages that is not good business practise. Like wise for Bony 18 months ago.

These deals are not ideal for City as the only thing which happens is the player gets older, nearer to the end of his contract and typically his value falls as a consequence.

You are correct though we do not live in a theoretical world where clubs offer the price you wish for.

What actually happens is clubs look at your players capability, assess there wages and determine if by purchasing them they would get value for money and improve the team. The fact we have to subsidy players, we paid 42 and 26 million for in the last two years for other clubs to be interested highlights the failings of those transfers as does the fact we have paid 42 million, 32 million and 47.5 million to resolve the centre half issue over the last three summer transfers.

Still Its been a great summer in recruitment and although Ive laboured the point (to explain my view) I think overall he deserves the plaudits but to suggest he has done well in sales is pushing it a bit imo.

We will only know for sure if its been a great summer once the players recruited have played and shown their worth. There was lots of excitement around Jovetic/Mangala/Bony (Although not as much on the latter) and they didn't turn out well. Its all a lottery but hopefully this policy of signing younger players will stop this happening in the future.

 

[super_city_si]

You're going to make yourself ill.
No mention of Mancini anywhere.
Txiki has done very well indeed this window - from manager to players. Excellent job.

This makes me wonder who was targetting players in the last few seasons? Was is purely Txiki or Txiki and the manager? Mangala/Bony/Fernando (to a lesser extent) were bad buys. All of a sudden Pep is on board and we're buying quality from the Bundesliga. Looks to me like Pep identified who he wanted and he can tell a player. before he came, who was making these decisions?

 

[franksinatra]

That's a superb post.

May I just add that the players who are going on loan are all coming off the back of season's which has seen their values diminish considerably. Spending a season on loan playing regularly could well have the opposite effect and mean come 12 months from now we're realising values which we couldn't have this summer.

In other words maybe we are playing the long game here. I could be wrong but it certainly is worth considering. We don't need money to bring players in so this is just an administrative situation and we could right have taken big hits on their fees and got them out the door. Even subsidised some wages. None of it would've changed much for our bottom line or the long term health of the club or the squad.

Hopefully that is how it will work out or even a good season, particularly for Mangala, may enable him to stake a place in the squad for next season.

Im not sure that was the intention though, I think ideally the club would have hoped for a permanent transfer and that is why the three loan deals are only going through on the final day of the window.

 

[BillyShears]

Like I said I am perfectly happy with his signings (as an outsider looking in) and bringing in Pep was a real coup so he quite rightly deserves the plaudits for his work on the recruitment side this summer.

With regards outgoing players we are suffering the same issue we do each summer that due to the contracts the players are on and how much we overpaid for them, even in an inflated market, buoyed by a huge tv deal, we are unable to sell.

I dont think it is living in a bubble to highlight when you have paid 42 million for a player two years ago and now he is being sent out on loan and your subsidising the wages that is not good business practise. Like wise for Bony 18 months ago.

These deals are not ideal for City as the only thing which happens is the player gets older, nearer to the end of his contract and typically his value falls as a consequence.

You are correct though we do not live in a theoretical world where clubs offer the price you wish for.

What actually happens is clubs look at your players capability, assess there wages and determine if by purchasing them they would get value for money and improve the team. The fact we have to subsidy players, we paid 42 and 26 million for in the last two years for other clubs to be interested highlights the failings of those transfers as does the fact we have paid 42 million, 32 million and 47.5 million to resolve the centre half issue over the last three summer transfers.

Still Its been a great summer in recruitment and although Ive laboured the point (to explain my view) I think overall he deserves the plaudits but to suggest he has done well in sales is pushing it a bit imo.

You are once again grossly overstating what has gone on. Other than Mangala and Bony can you point me in the direction of any other transfers under Txiki's watch which have not been able to sell?

I'll help. There aren't any. Dzeko. Gone as soon as he wanted him gone. Jovetic. Same. Balotelli. Same. Negredo. Same. Javi Garcia. Same. Rodwell. Same. Begiristain's record is stained by the Mangala and Bony transfers but it still remains a fantastic record both in terms of values paid for players and values we got for players we didn't want.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

As someone else said earlier, the bad signings will be highlighted because we can't get rid at the wages they're on and the transfer fees we get are miserly. No one will care if KDB or Sterling are worth £100m in 3 years because they won't be up for sale. On balance I think he's doing well, backed of course, by his association with the best manager in the business.

 

[blueinsa]

For those bemoaning Txiki on an almost constant basis and I know why, they just wont admit to it.....

Have you seen our squad and the quality it contains?

Have you seen what we have achieved and won of late?

Have you noticed the new manager we have?