Txiki Begiristain

[Blue Smarties]

Money is in $ but it points out that United Chelsea and Arsenal also didn't get much back in terms of outgoings. United specifically didn't have many outgoings at all in terms of loans/permanent deals period. They may have added those 4 players but they couldn't shift Fellaini,Bastian,Jones,Young,Rojo and maybe even Depay.

When you look at other top clubs around Europe, they had to sell players they didn't want to in addition to the fine windows they had.

Juve: Pogba
Dortmund: Gündogan, mkhitaryan, Hummels
Roma: Pjanic, Ljajic
Napoli: Higuain

In the short term Txiki did very well shifting 5 main players out on loan like that. Long term, them playing regularly and hopefully doing well elsewhere will see them make permanent moves so we can get more money back.

Some highlight Bony/Mangala as marks against Txiki but Pelle really wanted Bony so why wouldn't our DOF go out and get the player a manager wanted? Just once he got him he didn't quite fit in our team and that falls on both Pelle/Bony.. Not Txiki. Mangala is a lesson learned and we should steer clear of any player from Porto.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the window and the direction the club is headed.

Good post.

 

[SWP's back]

We never get huge transfer fees in as we keep the players that do well and have never sold a player who was a first teamer against our will.

It's pretty simple really. We also do not yet have 10 former players/managers that manage other clubs desperate to take our cast offs.

 

[SWP's back]

Just shows that a football model is far removed from a business model.
But football is the game were in and in our current circumstances the best outcomes we could have hoped for.
Well done Txiki.

Id say the football model is just like the business model.

City make profit even when they take a hit on players. Just as Asda takes a hit on binning perishable goods that aren't sold. Sure, we could make a bigger profit if we never sold a player at a loss, just as Asda could make a larger profit if they never threw stuff away.

But if we didn't sign new and better players for fear of losing money on deals then that would impact our chances at winning more trophies.

We are in a lucky position that the club making a profit shouldn't really matter to the fans. It would be nice to never lose out on a deal but I'd far rather we bought our targets in first, and strengthen the team, then worried about weakening our bargaining power when selling players on.

 

[SWP's back]

He's been very good overall but spending such a huge amount and receiving about £4m back is a bit of a pisstake.

Why does it matter?

 

[mancity dan]

Id say the football model is just like the business model.

City make profit even when they take a hit on players. Just as Asda takes a hit on binning perishable goods that aren't sold. Sure, we could make a bigger profit if we never sold a player at a loss, just as Asda could make a larger profit if they never threw stuff away.

But if we didn't sign new and better players for fear of losing money on deals then that would impact our chances at winning more trophies.

We are in a lucky position that the club making a profit shouldn't really matter to the fans. It would be nice to never lose out on a deal but I'd far rather we bought our targets in first, and strengthen the team, then worried about weakening our bargaining power when selling players on.

Nail on head.

 

[SWP's back]

Agreed,we buy high,sell cheap

And we could have made huge profits over the past 8 years on Kompany, Zabba, Silva, Toure, Aguero etc etc.

Call me old fashioned but I prefer supporting a club that cares more about trying to win things than making a profit that I'll never be spending personally.

 

[almir]

couldn't give less care about profit. It's obvious you'll make mistakes buying players and with wages those players are on when coming here, it's pretty obvious you'll get a big loss when you try to get rid of obvious flops. They are both flops and on big wages, I'd like to see magician who'd make profit on them.

As long as there are more good buys than bad and we win trophies, the rest I don't give a shit about.

 

[SWP's back]

Forgot to say, well done Txiki, in my opinion our best ever window.

 

[Phil1]

And we could have made huge profits over the past 8 years on Kompany, Zabba, Silva, Toure, Aguero etc etc.

Call me old fashioned but I prefer supporting a club that cares more about trying to win things than making a profit that I'll never be spending personally.

It's surprising how many of our supporters care so much about the bottom line isn't it. Mangala, Bony, Hart and to a lesser extent Nasri were never going to feature much this season so what's the point of holding onto them when they can be playing regular, keeping fit and hopefully performing well elsewhere.
As long as the manager has got the staff he needs then that's all that matters.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

People fail to appreciate that disposing of players in this way could very well be part of our business model. Being an effective businessman is about making dispassionate and clinical decisions about assets that once were central to your business, but now are failing to deliver - a state of play that is likely to continue.

In those circumstances, you cut loose and accept that you're sometimes going to take an enormous hit. With the money now at the top of the English game, there's two ways of dealing with unwanted players; be lazy or ruthless about it. We've chosen the latter, which is definitely the lesser of the two evils. Things change in football; players sometimes don't work out, or go off the boil for a wide number of factors, which sometimes are nothing to do with what occurs on the pitch. It's always been the same in football, and as long as human beings remain the eternal constant in the equation, it's never going to change.