Txiki Begiristain

nellyonthewing said:
With the resources available and the nucleus of the 11/12 squad we should have built on and dominated the EPL in a period where the Rags and Chelsea were in transition, Arsenal were still Arsenal -but we failed to push forward.... Are we not now seeking domination through Pep ??? but his task has been made so much harder because of failures in forward planning at 1st team level over 2 seasons.
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What do you mean by domination ? Winning the league every year from 2012 onwards, maybe throw in a few league and FA cups to boot along with them. It can't happen over here any longer, there are too many teams that have the capability of producing a title charge and Leicester if all clubs have proved that last season.

I agree that we should have built on what we had, but going back to Roberto that is what he wanted but if believed to be true, he was denied the signings he wanted in order to push on. Yes we are seeking to win more silverware under pep and a change in philosophy from the academy upwards...but total domination will never be achieved because the competition will evolve also
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
I didn't name any young defenders !!! What we do have is an ageing defence and new players plus a new manager with totally new ideas.
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I would have thought a DOF for the past 4 years would have fixed such an aging defence? It worse now than ever.

We've been going through transition for the last 3 years, first, second and fourth, is that not long enough? When do we see a turnaround when we hit sixth maybe.
 
nellyonthewing said:
With the resources available and the nucleus of the 11/12 squad we should have built on and dominated the EPL in a period where the Rags and Chelsea were in transition, Arsenal were still Arsenal -but we failed to push forward.... Are we not now seeking domination through Pep ??? but his task has been made so much harder because of failures in forward planning at 1st team level over 2 seasons.
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100% agree. Generally poor transfers have stopped us winning as many trophies as some of the great and very good players in our squad should have won. We've let the rags and Chelsea catch up when we could have really got ahead.
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
I didn't name any young defenders !!! What we do have is an ageing defence and new players plus a new manager with totally new ideas.
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Precisely and that is the point, a transition with new players surely should have included new and young defenders or are we going to that next year and let them imbed into the team, how long is this transition going to take? We had the best team in the league 5 years ago and have out spent everyone since. 1 League title since the first one is pretty shoddy under those circumstances and who are the main constants from this period?
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
What do you mean by domination ? Winning the league every year from 2012 onwards, maybe throw in a few league and FA cups to boot along with them. It can't happen over here any longer, there are too many teams that have the capability of producing a title charge and Leicester if all clubs have proved that last season.

I agree that we should have built on what we had, but going back to Roberto that is what he wanted but if believed to be true, he was denied the signings he wanted in order to push on. Yes we are seeking to win more silverware under pep and a change in philosophy from the academy upwards...but total domination will never be achieved because the competition will evolve also
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When you look at how shit that 2013 rags team was that won it, and Leicester (!) plus the FA Cup final that was there for the taking given the opposition, we should really have done better. Even just one or two better signings would probably have done it.
 
cookster said:
I would have thought a DOF for the past 4 years would have fixed such an aging defence? It worse now than ever.

We've been going through transition for the last 3 years, first, second and fourth, is that not long enough? When do we see a turnaround when we hit sixth maybe.
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I believe it depends if any of our transfers turn out to be any good, by then pep may have moved on and we can start our new phase of transition. Hundreds of millions spent to fight for fourth
 
here's a (non-exhaustive) list of defenders signed by big clubs in the past 3 seasons. Play hindsight Txiki and pick yours, you have roughly what we spent on our defence which let's call it £110m to play with.

CBs
John Stones MCFC £47m
Shkodran Mustafi ARS £35m
David Luiz CHE £34m
Eliaquim Mangala MCFC £32m
Eric Bailly MU £30m
Mats Hummels BM £29m
Nicolas Otamendi MCFC £28.5m
Medhi Benatia BM £23m
Samuel Umtiti BAR £21m
Dejan Lovren LIV £21m
Jeremy Mathieu BAR £17m
Thomas Vermaelen BAR £16m
Daley Blind MU £14m
Toby Alderweireld TH £13.5m
Gabriel ARS £12.75m
Stefan Savic AM £10m
Matthias Ginter DOR £8.5m
Federico Fazio TH £8m
Marc Bartra DOR £7m
Kevin Wimmer TH £5m
Michael Hector CHE £4.5m
Eric Dier TH £4.25m
Jesus Vallejo RM £4.25m
Daniele Rugani JUV £4.25m
Joe Gomez LIV £4m
Ragnar Klavan LIV £4m
Papy Djilobodji CHE £2.5m
Rob Holding ARS £2.5m
Joel Matip LIV Free

LBs
Luke Shaw MU £27m
Alex Sandro JUV £22m
Layvin Kurzawa PSG £21m
Marcos Alonso CHE £19m
Abdul Rahman Baba CHE £17m
Marcos Rojo MU £17m
Alberto Moreno LIV £15m
Lucas Digne BAR £14m
Filipe Luis AM £13.5m
Ben Davies TH £10.75m
Raphael Guerreiro DOR £10.5m
Juan Bernat BM £8.5m
Guilherme Siquiera AM £8.5m
Kenedy CHE £7m
Patrice Evra JUV £1m
Joo-Ho Park DOR £2.5m

RBs
Danilo RM £26m
Callum Chambers ARS £17m
Nathaniel Clyne LIV £15m
Matteo Darmian MU £15m
Aleix Vidal BAR £14.5m
Sime Vrsaljko AM £13.5m
Mathieu Debuchy ARS £12.75m
Serge Aurier PSG £8.5m
Thomas Meunier PSG £6m
DeAndre Yedlin TH £2.5m
Kieran Trippier TH £4m
Douglas Bar £3m
Jesus Gamez AM £2m
Dani Alves JUV FREE

Now I've had fun watching people buy 3 LBs, I'll add in the RBs :)

Ok, so I'm giving you £110m, go spend it in that transfer market. No arguing over prices. You already have Kolarov/Clichy/Zabaleta/Sagna/Kompany/Demichelis in your squad.

So go play hindsight Txiki, if it's popular I'll extend it to other areas of the pitch.
 
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BJL_City said:
here's a (non-exhaustive) list of defenders signed by big clubs in the past 3 seasons. Play hindsight Txiki and pick yours, you have roughly what we spent on our defence which let's call it £110m to play with.

CBs
Nicolas Otamendi MCFC £28.5m
Eliaquim Mangala MCFC £32m
John Stones MCFC £47m
David Luiz CHE £34m
Michael Hector CHE £4.5m
Papy Djilobodji CHE £2.5m
Gabriel ARS £12.75m
Shkodran Mustafi ARS £35m
Rob Holding ARS £2.5m
Dejan Lovren LIV £21m
Joe Gomez LIV £4m
Ragnar Klavan LIV £4m
Joel Matip LIV Free
Daley Blind MU £14m
Eric Bailly MU £30m
Eric Dier TH £4.25m
Federico Fazio TH £8m
Toby Alderweireld TH £13.5m
Kevin Wimmer TH £5m
Jeremy Mathieu BAR £17m
Thomas Vermaelen BAR £16m
Samuel Umtiti BAR £21m
Jesus Vallejo RM £4.25m
Stefan Savic AM £21m
Daniele Rugani JUV £4.25m
Medhi Benatia BM £23m
Mats Hummels BM £29m
Matthias Ginter DOR £8.5m
Marc Bartra DOR £7m

FBs
Filipe Luis AM £13.5m
Kenedy CHE £7m
Abdul Rahman Baba CHE £17m
Marcos Alonso CHE £19m
Alberto Moreno LIV £15m
Luke Shaw MU £27m
Marcos Rojo MU £17m
Ben Davies TH £10.75m
Lucas Digne BAR £14m
Guilherme Siquiera AM £8.5m
Patrice Evra JUV £1m
Alex Sandro JUV £22m
Juan Bernat BM £8.5m
Raphael Guerreiro DOR £10.5m
Joo-Ho Park DOR £2.5m
Layvin Kurzawa PSG £21m

Ok, so I'm giving you £110m, go spend it in that transfer market. No arguing over prices. You already have Kolarov/Clichy/Zabaleta/Sagna/Kompany/Demichelis in your squad.

So go play hindsight Txiki, if it's popular I'll extend it to other areas of the pitch.
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Might be better listed in 'amount paid', rather than by team ?
 
BJL_City said:
here's a (non-exhaustive) list of defenders signed by big clubs in the past 3 seasons. Play hindsight Txiki and pick yours, you have roughly what we spent on our defence which let's call it £110m to play with.

CBs
Nicolas Otamendi MCFC £28.5m
Eliaquim Mangala MCFC £32m
John Stones MCFC £47m
David Luiz CHE £34m
Michael Hector CHE £4.5m
Papy Djilobodji CHE £2.5m
Gabriel ARS £12.75m
Shkodran Mustafi ARS £35m
Rob Holding ARS £2.5m
Dejan Lovren LIV £21m
Joe Gomez LIV £4m
Ragnar Klavan LIV £4m
Joel Matip LIV Free
Daley Blind MU £14m
Eric Bailly MU £30m
Eric Dier TH £4.25m
Federico Fazio TH £8m
Toby Alderweireld TH £13.5m
Kevin Wimmer TH £5m
Jeremy Mathieu BAR £17m
Thomas Vermaelen BAR £16m
Samuel Umtiti BAR £21m
Jesus Vallejo RM £4.25m
Stefan Savic AM £21m
Daniele Rugani JUV £4.25m
Medhi Benatia BM £23m
Mats Hummels BM £29m
Matthias Ginter DOR £8.5m
Marc Bartra DOR £7m

FBs
Filipe Luis AM £13.5m
Kenedy CHE £7m
Abdul Rahman Baba CHE £17m
Marcos Alonso CHE £19m
Alberto Moreno LIV £15m
Luke Shaw MU £27m
Marcos Rojo MU £17m
Ben Davies TH £10.75m
Lucas Digne BAR £14m
Guilherme Siquiera AM £8.5m
Patrice Evra JUV £1m
Alex Sandro JUV £22m
Juan Bernat BM £8.5m
Raphael Guerreiro DOR £10.5m
Joo-Ho Park DOR £2.5m
Layvin Kurzawa PSG £21m

Ok, so I'm giving you £110m, go spend it in that transfer market. No arguing over prices. You already have Kolarov/Clichy/Zabaleta/Sagna/Kompany/Demichelis in your squad.

So go play hindsight Txiki, if it's popular I'll extend it to other areas of the pitch.
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Alderweireld
Matip
Stones
Kurzawa
 
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