Txiki Begiristain

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Alternatively having too many average squad players makes it much harder for any youth team players to get a chance. Also I dont think 12mil is particularly cheap. I suppose its all down to your perception.

I think Txkici's transfer record is pretty dire:

Ottamendi 34mil
Mangala 42mil
Stones 47 mil

So £120 million on three centre halves that have not really improved our defence. Yes John Stones has a lot of potential, but is currently dropped.

2nd and 3rd most expensive defenders of all time and I think Otamendi also makes the top 5 if I'm not wrong. Bargains!

 

[FantasyIreland]

Agree with this, Garcia had just about found his feet in English football and started to perform well, then we sold him and downgraded to Fernando.

I disagree,Garcia was never good enough so we sold him to a Russian out fit and bought an upgrade for less money in Fernando.
Now he has acclimatised,after overcoming initial injury and fitness issues,and is now getting some consistent playing time.......he is proving a very capable understudy to Fernandinho and living up to the reputation he earned in portugal.
His brilliant influence on Sunday was instrumental to the result.

 

[NQCitizen]

2nd and 3rd most expensive defenders of all time and I think Otamendi also makes the top 5 if I'm not wrong. Bargains!

I always feel like Otamendi is top class at his best, just very inconsistent.

I think txiki and pep would not unfairly have expected a lot more from our defence. For all his potential Stones has shown terrible awareness that makes Kolarov a better option right now.

I imagine there was also hope we'd see more progression from Angelino and maybe Maffeo.

 

[NQCitizen]

I disagree,Garcia was never good enough so we sold him to a Russian out fit and bought an upgrade for less money in Fernando.
Now he has acclimatised,after overcoming initial injury and fitness issues,and is now getting some consistent playing time.......he is proving a very capable understudy to Fernandinho and living up to the reputation he earned in portugal.
His brilliant influence on Sunday was instrumental to the result.

They're quite similar players really, what Garcia tended to cover with intelligence of positional awareness Fernando covers with a bit more physicality. Both essential players (if not necessarily consistent starters) and instrumental in the few times we've decided not to be wide open over the last 4-5 seasons.

The fact either is criticised for the speed of their passing is still ridiculous.

Bar Marchisio, Vidal and Naingolan I'm not sure how many of those complete midfielders even exist any more. And they'd have cost four or five times as much.

 

[FantasyIreland]

For all his potential Stones has shown terrible awareness that makes Kolarov a better option right now.

Nah,just a couple of daft gaffs that will be soon be ironed out with experience,he's been far from terrible.
Youre right about his potential though.

 

[mcfc1632]

My concern with this thread is it does come across as simply a bunch of moaners that are lazily using the convenience of hindsight.

They moan as on as if they 'know better' and would have done such a wonderful job in Txiki's role - really.

You start to now hear names like Matip and Van Dijk - FFS again pure fanciful use of hindsight. The Bluemoon moaners would have been up in arms on this thread if in spring we had been signing Matip on a free transfer - but hey he, like Van Dijk, have had a good year so far - so it suits the lazy need to moan.

 

[Rolee]

To all those that reckon Txiki has done a shit job.

I take it that means you didn't expect us to challenge for silverware this season?

 

[domalino]

Nah,just a couple of daft gaffs that will be soon be ironed out with experience,he's been far from terrible.
Youre right about his potential though.

In my opinion Stones is literally just a confidence issue, simple as.

He has made mistakes when things aren't going to plan, especially when the players around him make mistakes and aren't where they should be. It's in these moments when he looks up and players aren't where they are supposed to be.

His confidence is low so when he's forced into making spur of the moment decisions he's taking too long or making the wrong one.

The Southampton goal is a perfect example because we all know Sané should have been in a different position to be open for a pass, Kompany should have been in a different position and open for a pass. But they weren't and he panicked and made a mistake.

vs. Barcelona, he makes a back pass Bravo would pick up every day, but Caballero isn't Bravo, he's 10m deeper and Suarez gets on the end of the pass.


I think it's purely a symptom of the change in club, in system, in the new manager.

Things like under hitting a pass against Leicester is a classic low on confidence thing - you're in two minds over it so you sort of hesitate and don't get the power through the ball.

As he spends more time with Pep and just gets used to being here, and gets more experience he'll just not get panicked. The decision Guardiola wants him to make will become second nature, he won't be caught in two minds, he won't lack conviction in it. He'll just do it.

The errors will just go away. There's no huge underlying cause, he's not being asked to do things he can't, he's just got to get used to it.

I'm actually more concerned about things like his level of aggression.

 

[domalino]

My concern with this thread is it does come across as simply a bunch of moaners that are lazily using the convenience of hindsight.

They moan as on as if they 'know better' and would have done such a wonderful job in Txiki's role - really.

You start to now hear names like Matip and Van Dijk - FFS again pure fanciful use of hindsight. The Bluemoon moaners would have been up in arms on this thread if in spring we had been signing Matip on a free transfer - but hey he, like Van Dijk, have had a good year so far - so it suits the lazy need to moan.

For proof of this just look at the "Nolito has signed" thread. It's full of comments about how Txiki has bought some no-name from a mid table spanish club.

5 months later everyone I know loves Nolito and thinks he was a great buy.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Why is it txikis job to negotiate transfers? Surely that is done by a team of financial suits as well as txiki, pep, khaldoon...

But he is in charge of and is ultimately responsible for the team of people who sort out, plan and develop the squad. and we currently have far too few players in their prime years, four full backs over 30 who do have good games but are not good enough consistently enough, and a possession style of play whose best passers were still Yaya and Nasri who were both ousted by the manager.

I think the planning that's been done on those aspects has been poor. You shouldn't be relying on early 20s and over 30s to win you things, not many teams with that as the majority do win things.

That's not to say he has done all things badly but for people to be just fully supportive of him just to show they're being supportive is a bit daft and a bit of a thin argument.