Txiki Begiristain

[bondsman]

The acquisition of pep aside what has he delivered? The team despite massive investment is nowhere near the quality of 2012 and that's due to recruitment of playing staff. If you and I am not are willing to suggest this is all a grand plan to bring us to pep then how do you explain the absolute garbage he has bought for pep to inherit and work with? He should be fucked off a long with pellegrini. We have pep now so what do we need txixi for moving forwards? If all he brought to the table was pep then he's outlived his utility.

 

[moomba]

I think his work has been a lot better than he's given credit for, and presuming he's also responsible for the likes of Brahim and Sancho we might not see all the benefits for a while yet.

But he's responsible for the football side of things and thats been pretty poor for a while now.

I want to see him shape a squad that gives kids an opportunity, I want us playing attractive, entertaining football again, I want none of the slow paced, predictable passing routines we see every week.

If he can manage that fine.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I think his work has been a lot better than he's given credit for, and presuming he's also responsible for the likes of Brahim and Sancho we might not see all the benefits for a while yet.

But he's responsible for the football side of things and thats been pretty poor for a while now.

I want to see him shape a squad that gives kids an opportunity, I want us playing attractive, entertaining football again, I want none of the slow paced, predictable passing routines we see every week.

If he can manage that fine.

What he & Pep can build in the next 3 years is the true test imo. If it doesn't work, he's failed, if it does, he's succeeded. Pellegrini got lots of points with Real but he also showed that he can still fail miserably at everything over a season, even with a potentially worldbeating team.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

There's a whole lot of short termism (No idea if that's word, probably not) on this thread.

Does anyone care about the year we missed out on 4th place in the Hughes/Mancini year?
Does anyone care about the year we finished 2nd because we let them lot buy RVP?
Does anyone care we lost the FA Cup final to Wigan?

These were all disappointments, some before Txiki even arrived. As time has passed and other successes have been gained, do those disappointments really matter that much? Do they play any part in our future?

We've regressed, and the whole club takes their share of responsibility, from Khaldoon all the way down to the players. We've allowed players to get old and past it whilst still relying on them, we've gone from a solid side to one that looks like conceding from every attack, and we've spent hundreds of millions of pounds in this process. Nobody can deny, it's a piss poor performance from a club from the top down.

However. Txiki has got his man. His man happens to be the best coach in football, according to anyone that's ever worked with him apart from Charlatans that wanted to be the big cheese (Zlatan et al). If (and it is an If, admittedly) he goes on to deliver real success, and by that I mean domestic and european. Trebles, landslide league wins (not goal difference or last day dramas), but actually winning the league in style. If he develops the quality we have at youth level and they become first team, title winning players. If he leaves a legacy that enables City to become the most successful team of the next decade - will we at that point look back on these three seasons of regression and give the slightest fuck? No.

The above isn't a pipe dream. Not to Khaldoon, Txiki and Sheikh Mansour. That's the target, and they may or may not get there. The point is the structure of the club is there to deliver this in the long term and you will make mistakes along the way which will benefit you later.

It's not the time to look at the last three years and call for heads, it's about waiting for top brass to deliver their ultimate plan, over a long period, then look back and judge if they were successful.

We all know Pep was Txiki's plan from day one. He's not even here yet and we've picked up five major domestic trophies and basically finished 3rd in Europe.

Considering the plan hasn't even started yet, that's not bad. Success isn't an exact science and it's a bumpy road where mistakes will be made.

Txiki's judgement day will come the day Pep leaves. Let's see where we are then and see if he's been a failure.

Well where's the long term plan in terms of building the squad? We've signed Sterling Delph Otamendi de Bruyne...who all give the ball away loads. Knowing Guardiola was the future appointment and knowing he once replied to the question "what annoys you most in life?" with "losing possession" where's the long term planning there? Where's the long term planning with allowing all our better players bar Kun and Hart to get to 30 and over and not integrating younger prospects to the squad in their positions? Knowing that Guardiola likes his full backs to attack, why have we allowed all four of our full backs to just age past 30 and not integrate younger models in their positions?

Look at the fitness of the players; most weeks they're out on their feet as they're outworked by the opposition. And they're very injury prone which could be linked to that. What has Pellegrini's plan been with the fitness of the players? We look slow and lethargic almost everyone we step foot on the pitch. Will they be fit enough for Guardiola's style?

It's not about not being in the CL next season, it's about putting a plan in place to allow Guardiola to hit the ground running and between Begiristain and Pellegrini I honestly don't see how they could have done a worse job.

 

[decmancity]

Sorry mate but do you really think Pep would have taken the job if as you seem to think, we have bought badly, don't have good enough players and haven't planned correctly.

He has his pick of teams in Europe, he wouldn't join City if we had all the problems you think we do.

Txiki would have rubber stamped any signing with Pep.

Pep will turn this ship around, have faith.

 

[markbmcfc]

Well where's the long term plan in terms of building the squad? We've signed Sterling Delph Otamendi de Bruyne...who all give the ball away loads. Knowing Guardiola was the future appointment and knowing he once replied to the question "what annoys you most in life?" with "losing possession" where's the long term planning there? Where's the long term planning with allowing all our better players bar Kun and Hart to get to 30 and over and not integrating younger prospects to the squad in their positions? Knowing that Guardiola likes his full backs to attack, why have we allowed all four of our full backs to just age past 30 and not integrate younger models in their positions?

Look at the fitness of the players; most weeks they're out on their feet as they're outworked by the opposition. And they're very injury prone which could be linked to that. What has Pellegrini's plan been with the fitness of the players? We look slow and lethargic almost everyone we step foot on the pitch. Will they be fit enough for Guardiola's style?

It's not about not being in the CL next season, it's about putting a plan in place to allow Guardiola to hit the ground running and between Begiristain and Pellegrini I honestly don't see how they could have done a worse job.

You can't question the results of a long term plan that hasn't started yet. It hasn't started because Pep hasn't started. MP was a stop gap and a hope we picked up a cheeky trophy along the way. Things might not add up now, but they might later. No, I don't think signing Bony will add up later, but you get the point. If we literally trash everyone we've bought for the last two years and replace them, then yeah a strong arguement can be made that Txiki was far too short term as well.

The rest I completely agree with you on.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

If only City had a long term manager in post, with an established transfer policy and an accomplished transfer team behind him, we could have long term plans which might include signing players similar to the following:

Eric Djemba-Djemba
Zoran Tosic
Massimo Taibi
Zaha £12M
Bebe
Anderson £26M in 2006
Kleberson
Bosnich
Veron £28M in 2001
Hargreaves £17M 39 games in 4 years
Bernatov £31M
Forlan
Roy Carroll
Jordi Cruyff
Falcao
Di Maria
Obertan

Diaby
Bischoff
Gervinho
Squillaci
Chamakh
Arshavin
Park Chu Young
Grondin
Denilson
Inamoto
Bendtner
Stepanovs
Luzhny
Alberto Mendez
Wreh
Male
Suker
Richard Wright
Andre Santos
Francis Jeffers


Or, maybe, the transfer of players is not an exact science at all and there are many, many misses to accompany the few successes?

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

If only City had a long term manager in post, with an established transfer policy and an accomplished transfer team behind him, we could have long term plans which might include signing players similar to the following:

Eric Djemba-Djemba
Zoran Tosic
Massimo Taibi
Zaha £12M
Bebe
Anderson £26M in 2006
Kleberson
Bosnich
Veron £28M in 2001
Hargreaves £17M 39 games in 4 years
Bernatov £31M
Forlan
Roy Carroll
Jordi Cruyff
Falcao
Di Maria
Obertan

Diaby
Bischoff
Gervinho
Squillaci
Chamakh
Arshavin
Park Chu Young
Grondin
Denilson
Inamoto
Bendtner
Stepanovs
Luzhny
Alberto Mendez
Wreh
Male
Suker
Richard Wright
Andre Santos
Francis Jeffers


Or, maybe, the transfer of players is not an exact science at all and there are many, many misses to accompany the few successes?

The club has spent what £400 million since the end of the 2011-2012 season and we look much worse side. You don't see this as a cause for concern? And despite united having some bad buys at least they were constantly winning trophies.

 

[crystal_mais]

The club has spent what £400 million since the end of the 2011-2012 season and we look much worse side. You don't see this as a cause for concern? And despite united having some bad buys at least they were constantly winning trophies.

Not sure where you got £400million from - we have bought squad players but tried to keep the spine the same. What they didn't do was transition the spine out -- The Football board have had their pants pulled down by FFP and rested on their laurels expecting this lot to keep turning the wheel and winning with the aging side. tried to sweat it for one more season. While the like of Spurs and Leicester have totally gone for it with young high energy players.

They have taken their eye off the ball while waiting for Pep

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The club has spent what £400 million since the end of the 2011-2012 season and we look much worse side. You don't see this as a cause for concern? And despite united having some bad buys at least they were constantly winning trophies.

Last 5 seasons we've spent £472M. Won 2 titles, 1 FA Cup and 2 League Cups. Rags have spent £432M and won 1 title. Liverpool £354M and won 1 League Cup. Chelsea £476M and won 1 title, 1 CL, 1 FA Cup and 1 league cup. And this year, they've all got battered by Leicester but it's only City with problems and only City not winning stuff? How are all the others are going to miraculously get fantastic over the summer?
I accept, by how we can play, we've been poor this season. Apparently, West Ham play brilliantly, as do Liverpool and Southampton, whilst Utd are having a renaissance. Everyone of them are behind us. Arsenal are great and Spurs are the best team. We can still finish above them both.
I appreciate being a supporter means you only look at your team but, if we've got massive problems, what about the rest?