U21s derby at Old Trafford on Tuesday

Blue Haze said:
Silva_Spell said:
In all likelihood we're rarely if ever going to produce an Aguero, the main point of the youth setup is to supplement the first team squad whilst buying the world class stars from elsewhere.

Of those who were out there today, I see potential in Angelino, Kean Bryan, Garcia, Pozo, Forfana, Bryne, and Barker (tho he was gash tonight), and they're all 17/18. I'm sure 1 or 2 will make it.

TBH in the immediate term we're only going to be seeing Denayer, Rekik, Lopes and Iheanacho getting a chance at making the squad
I think Kelechi is probably the only one who has a realistic chance of making it. Maybe Lopes and that is about it.

The rest will have a hard time making it in the PL, never mind City. Barker, for all his hype, doesn't even seem as good as Adam Johnson. And even less interested in tracking back than AJ!

Agree with you 100%. Reluctant to judge them just yet and I'm sure a good handful of them will go on to have very successful careers and some even in the premier league but none of them bar kelechi look like they'll be good enough for us.
 
This is the report i wrote for my blog if anyone is interested.. I'm really not worried at all. None of you should be. Our kids will go further than most of them I think.

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This felt inevitable. I've seen it before several times this season alone. Alarm bells do not need ringing and the philosophy doesn't need binning - this was the result of several relatively unavoidable factors combining and playing up against an experienced United team always likely to win games at this level in this particular, unexciting way. They sat back, camped in their half and then broke using their experience in key positions finding holes in our questionable defensive shape, finishing well. They were 2-0 with two chances at one point, despite having 30% possession. They do that at every level in all the derbies - u16s, u18s, right through to the 21s. They beat us at the start of the season 4-1, with Wilson running through and scoring all four goals. Identical. Fast man up top, big strong lads at the back, knock it through a young developing defensive line and score - It works at this level, I guess.

We weren't helped by the returning loanees. Evans looked awful at CB, suffering from a poor loan spell at Scun thorpe and once again being played out of position. Fofana, for all his physique, isn't as smart a footballer as many of the younger lads who are coming through the ranks behind him - he was always going to struggle returning to a team increasingly possession based when his main weaknesses while out on loan at Fulham were, according to a fan of theirs I spoke to recently, his first and second touch. Hiwula, too, didn't look in sync with the rest of the team, playing up top, in contrast with the left-wing role he had at Walsall. Coupling this with the fact that many of our younger u18 starlets looked absolutely exhausted meant the team looked unbalanced and we moved the ball far too slow; that early and midseason spark has fizzled out now for many of the younger players, understandably - most of them have played many, many games this year and they're still incredibly green. Angelino, Barker, Byrne and Bryan didn't look anywhere their best. They haven't for a few weeks.

That explosive form that punctuated a large part of the middle of the season wasn't a flash in the pan, it was the result of a confident, expressive team playing in a balanced eleven full of youthful exuberance, technical ability and skill slowly finding their feet after being asked to move up an age group. Recently this has now become a team (not really by choice or design - just necessity) containing slightly older players most looking for clubs in the future (Intima, Fofana, Hiwula, Evans, Horsfield) and you can tell. Their development is still important to the club and rightly so - we have to do the upmost to find them a club if it isn't to be with City, and it still may be, but it has definitely impacted on the form of the team and consequently the surrounding younger players who just haven't adapted to the changes, due to a combination of confusion, being played out of position, and tiredness. This is natural and was always going to happen. Youth team squads are often bitty and fragmented and it's understandable that this will at times affect the players.

This isn't City's strongest team at u21 level. Far, far from it. Move Maffeo over to right back, bring in Tosin and Humphreys in defence. The injured pair of Boadu and Ambrose would bring pace, power and technical ability to our forward options. Iheanacho up top, Celina, perhaps. We have an abundance of talent in reserve - the thing that ties them together? They're incredibly young. That's cause for optimism and patience. It's easy to forget too that the out on loan quarter of Denayer, Lopes, Cole and Rekik are still u21s for City and this team, and you'd wager with good reason that tonight's result would be very different if those four were available. The u18s in tonight's team are not handling this end of season nigglyness and the fractured inconsistent teams and squads that come with it,particularly well - because they're tired. That's fair enough. This will happen - it's fine. They've done a lot this year, played some fantastic football, the vast majority of them have reached two finals, jumping between age groups as if its easy at times. They've won a cup as recently as last Friday, gone far in the UYL and become arguably the best footballing youth team in the country. Most of them had never played for the u21s before at the start of the season.

There is no cause for concern. Our young players still stuck to their game, they tried to play football the right way. It didn't happen, but they tried. That takes character, and its something they have in bucketfuls. They need a summer off now to assess all the many great things they've accomplished this season, and they'll come back stronger, more mature and ready to push on to greater things next year. Yes, we lost, but the United team we saw tonight isn't a United team to be excited about. It's a dogged one set up to be successful at youth team level, defending deep in their own half in front of 16,000 home fans, with experienced first-team who know how to attack. Ah well - good luck to them. I think our kids have more of a chance.
 
Chris in London said:
.A. said:
Chris in London said:
Here are my thoughts.

The scoreline is largely irrelevant to me. It's never nice losing to them, but nothing was on the line and if you had offered me a 1-0 win where we were outplayed and came away with a flukey win, I wouldn't have taken it.

I'd be interested in possession stats because I thought we dominated. Maybe they are taught to defend a 1-0 lead with 10 behind the ball and look to score on the counter, but if that's their filosophee God help them. Arsenal won the league like that 25 years ago but the rest of football has moved on.

We didn't create that many really clear cut chances, but we moved the ball around nicely and the way we played was very easy on the eye. When we did create chances I thought it was because we had moved it round and opened them up - their chances were largely long punts that Wilson or someone else ran on to. Oh, and when their Belgian international went on a run and beat a couple of our 17 year olds.

I'm not sure I agree with the comments that none of our lads will ever make the first team. It is impossible to say 'this kid will be in the first team in 5 years' because the ones who look like they might get there may flatline and the ones that look some way off the pace maybe develop over the next 2-3 years. But they are playing the right way.

Vieira has built a team that plays really good football. They have not. That is the real victory.

Are you Arsene Wenger?

No, but I do want our kids to play football the right way. At that age winning isn't everything. If it was we'd play goofball like the rags.

Tonight was u21; at this age it's crucial for players to stake a claim for a senior career here.

The 'right way' to play is subjective; whatever makes you successful is the right way. Stylistic snobbery is a means for losers to excuse their shortcomings.
 
.A. said:
Chris in London said:
.A. said:
Are you Arsene Wenger?

No, but I do want our kids to play football the right way. At that age winning isn't everything. If it was we'd play goofball like the rags.

Tonight was u21; at this age it's crucial for players to stake a claim for a senior career here.
and yet the lads you are decrying are 18 or less

keep up the good work
 
Neville Kneville said:
Nice work. But wasted on quite a few I think

The worst thing about these big event or televised games, is the people who get to see them.

God damn right, good write up twosips.
 
squirtyflower said:
.A. said:
Chris in London said:
No, but I do want our kids to play football the right way. At that age winning isn't everything. If it was we'd play goofball like the rags.

Tonight was u21; at this age it's crucial for players to stake a claim for a senior career here.
and yet the lads you are decrying are 18 or less

keep up the good work

So three years of them getting fucked by their rivals but playing futile possession football is going to prepare them for the first team?
 
Parents with little kids having to leave a youth game with ten minutes to go. The latest reminder of just how vile that club is.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Chris in London said:
.A. said:
Are you Arsene Wenger?

No, but I do want our kids to play football the right way. At that age winning isn't everything. If it was we'd play goofball like the rags.

We could put a side out which would nullify that Utd team, & perhaps nick a 1-0, if that's all we were interested in doing.

So we lost by choice?
 

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