U21s derby at Old Trafford on Tuesday

Nice to see Kean Bryan speak out against United's negative Chelsea-esque brand of football.

United's style tonight was all about results, not development. Older players, bringing back Januzaj (hadn't played for U21s since February), it was all about the result and beating ickle Citeh. It gives them bragging rights for 24 hours before the result is forgotten, but will do very little for the development of most of those players.

They really are a scummy club. They should also be fined for poor stewarding.
 
LoveCity said:
Nice to see Kean Bryan speak out against United's negative Chelsea-esque brand of football.

United's style tonight was all about results, not development. Older players, bringing back Januzaj (hadn't played for U21s since February), it was all about the result and beating ickle Citeh. It gives them bragging rights for 24 hours before the result is forgotten, but will do very little for the development of most of those players.

They really are a scummy club. They should also be fined for poor stewarding.
you need to tell the .A. team mate
he's under the impression our lads are all 21s who should be looking to enhance their careers and be in the first team or if they are really only 18 then they are going to be dicked by yoonited for the next three years as they are so poor
 
squirtyflower said:
LoveCity said:
Nice to see Kean Bryan speak out against United's negative Chelsea-esque brand of football.

United's style tonight was all about results, not development. Older players, bringing back Januzaj (hadn't played for U21s since February), it was all about the result and beating ickle Citeh. It gives them bragging rights for 24 hours before the result is forgotten, but will do very little for the development of most of those players.

They really are a scummy club. They should also be fined for poor stewarding.
you need to tell the .A. team mate
he's under the impression our lads are all 21s who should be looking to enhance their careers and be in the first team or if they are really only 18 then they are going to be dicked by yoonited for the next three years as they are so poor

Well why play like Barcelona when you can play like Stoke?
 
.A. said:
squirtyflower said:
.A. said:
Tonight was u21; at this age it's crucial for players to stake a claim for a senior career here.
and yet the lads you are decrying are 18 or less

keep up the good work

So three years of them getting fucked by their rivals but playing futile possession football is going to prepare them for the first team?

You are abolutely full of fucking shit, & I'm presuming the 'A' stands for agenda ? As if City 'always' get fucked by 'their' rivals. No WE fucking don't & you'd know that if you had a genuine interest weren't here shit stirring.

Wanker.
 
Rags talking nonsense about the ages of the 2 teams

Starting age of the United team was 20,53 while the City team was 20,51
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.redcafe.net/threads/u21s-manchester-united-vs-manchester-city.404520/page-5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.redcafe.net/threads/u21s-man ... 520/page-5</a>

Lad needs to go back to school

Gunn 19,
Angelino 18,
Evans 20,
Maffeo 17,
Smith-Brown 18,
Bryan 18,
Garcia 17,
Forfana 20,
Barker 18,
Nemane 17,
Hiwula 20

202 / 11 = 18.36
 
What the arse licking press fail to mention about there "Under 21's " is the fact they have played Van Persie and Falcao in the side this year to get them match fit.What the fuck does under 21 mean?That disgusting club may well win the U21 league helped along because of there need to try and put ickle City in there place and hoodwink there pathetic fanbase.

They really are a fucking joke.
 
flb said:
What the arse licking press fail to mention about there "Under 21's " is the fact they have played Van Persie and Falcao in the side this year to get them match fit.What the fuck does under 21 mean?That disgusting club may well win the U21 league helped along because of there need to try and put ickle City in there place and hoodwink there pathetic fanbase.

They really are a fucking joke.

Well it's within the rules. They are allowed to play three players at 21+, we could too.

The difference is we use our EDS to educate players, whereas United use it to keep players fit. Victor Valdes comes to mind.
 
twosips said:
This is the report i wrote for my blog if anyone is interested.. I'm really not worried at all. None of you should be. Our kids will go further than most of them I think.

<a class="postlink" href="http://inesteemedkompany.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/man-united-u21s-4-0-man-city-eds-little.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://inesteemedkompany.blogspot.co.uk ... ittle.html</a>

This felt inevitable. I've seen it before several times this season alone. Alarm bells do not need ringing and the philosophy doesn't need binning - this was the result of several relatively unavoidable factors combining and playing up against an experienced United team always likely to win games at this level in this particular, unexciting way. They sat back, camped in their half and then broke using their experience in key positions finding holes in our questionable defensive shape, finishing well. They were 2-0 with two chances at one point, despite having 30% possession. They do that at every level in all the derbies - u16s, u18s, right through to the 21s. They beat us at the start of the season 4-1, with Wilson running through and scoring all four goals. Identical. Fast man up top, big strong lads at the back, knock it through a young developing defensive line and score - It works at this level, I guess.

We weren't helped by the returning loanees. Evans looked awful at CB, suffering from a poor loan spell at Scun thorpe and once again being played out of position. Fofana, for all his physique, isn't as smart a footballer as many of the younger lads who are coming through the ranks behind him - he was always going to struggle returning to a team increasingly possession based when his main weaknesses while out on loan at Fulham were, according to a fan of theirs I spoke to recently, his first and second touch. Hiwula, too, didn't look in sync with the rest of the team, playing up top, in contrast with the left-wing role he had at Walsall. Coupling this with the fact that many of our younger u18 starlets looked absolutely exhausted meant the team looked unbalanced and we moved the ball far too slow; that early and midseason spark has fizzled out now for many of the younger players, understandably - most of them have played many, many games this year and they're still incredibly green. Angelino, Barker, Byrne and Bryan didn't look anywhere their best. They haven't for a few weeks.

That explosive form that punctuated a large part of the middle of the season wasn't a flash in the pan, it was the result of a confident, expressive team playing in a balanced eleven full of youthful exuberance, technical ability and skill slowly finding their feet after being asked to move up an age group. Recently this has now become a team (not really by choice or design - just necessity) containing slightly older players most looking for clubs in the future (Intima, Fofana, Hiwula, Evans, Horsfield) and you can tell. Their development is still important to the club and rightly so - we have to do the upmost to find them a club if it isn't to be with City, and it still may be, but it has definitely impacted on the form of the team and consequently the surrounding younger players who just haven't adapted to the changes, due to a combination of confusion, being played out of position, and tiredness. This is natural and was always going to happen. Youth team squads are often bitty and fragmented and it's understandable that this will at times affect the players.

This isn't City's strongest team at u21 level. Far, far from it. Move Maffeo over to right back, bring in Tosin and Humphreys in defence. The injured pair of Boadu and Ambrose would bring pace, power and technical ability to our forward options. Iheanacho up top, Celina, perhaps. We have an abundance of talent in reserve - the thing that ties them together? They're incredibly young. That's cause for optimism and patience. It's easy to forget too that the out on loan quarter of Denayer, Lopes, Cole and Rekik are still u21s for City and this team, and you'd wager with good reason that tonight's result would be very different if those four were available. The u18s in tonight's team are not handling this end of season nigglyness and the fractured inconsistent teams and squads that come with it,particularly well - because they're tired. That's fair enough. This will happen - it's fine. They've done a lot this year, played some fantastic football, the vast majority of them have reached two finals, jumping between age groups as if its easy at times. They've won a cup as recently as last Friday, gone far in the UYL and become arguably the best footballing youth team in the country. Most of them had never played for the u21s before at the start of the season.

There is no cause for concern. Our young players still stuck to their game, they tried to play football the right way. It didn't happen, but they tried. That takes character, and its something they have in bucketfuls. They need a summer off now to assess all the many great things they've accomplished this season, and they'll come back stronger, more mature and ready to push on to greater things next year. Yes, we lost, but the United team we saw tonight isn't a United team to be excited about. It's a dogged one set up to be successful at youth team level, defending deep in their own half in front of 16,000 home fans, with experienced first-team who know how to attack. Ah well - good luck to them. I think our kids have more of a chance.

Good post Mate. Thats the way I saw it (flicking back and forwards from the CL game in the 2nd half). I couldn't believe the possession we had - at one point over 70% I think. The team will have learned from the experience and will come back next season rested and older. Too early to say how many of them will make it yet - they are still v young, but I do like the way Paddy has them playing confident technical football.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
twosips said:
This is the report i wrote for my blog if anyone is interested.. I'm really not worried at all. None of you should be. Our kids will go further than most of them I think.

<a class="postlink" href="http://inesteemedkompany.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/man-united-u21s-4-0-man-city-eds-little.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://inesteemedkompany.blogspot.co.uk ... ittle.html</a>

This felt inevitable. I've seen it before several times this season alone. Alarm bells do not need ringing and the philosophy doesn't need binning - this was the result of several relatively unavoidable factors combining and playing up against an experienced United team always likely to win games at this level in this particular, unexciting way. They sat back, camped in their half and then broke using their experience in key positions finding holes in our questionable defensive shape, finishing well. They were 2-0 with two chances at one point, despite having 30% possession. They do that at every level in all the derbies - u16s, u18s, right through to the 21s. They beat us at the start of the season 4-1, with Wilson running through and scoring all four goals. Identical. Fast man up top, big strong lads at the back, knock it through a young developing defensive line and score - It works at this level, I guess.

We weren't helped by the returning loanees. Evans looked awful at CB, suffering from a poor loan spell at Scun thorpe and once again being played out of position. Fofana, for all his physique, isn't as smart a footballer as many of the younger lads who are coming through the ranks behind him - he was always going to struggle returning to a team increasingly possession based when his main weaknesses while out on loan at Fulham were, according to a fan of theirs I spoke to recently, his first and second touch. Hiwula, too, didn't look in sync with the rest of the team, playing up top, in contrast with the left-wing role he had at Walsall. Coupling this with the fact that many of our younger u18 starlets looked absolutely exhausted meant the team looked unbalanced and we moved the ball far too slow; that early and midseason spark has fizzled out now for many of the younger players, understandably - most of them have played many, many games this year and they're still incredibly green. Angelino, Barker, Byrne and Bryan didn't look anywhere their best. They haven't for a few weeks.

That explosive form that punctuated a large part of the middle of the season wasn't a flash in the pan, it was the result of a confident, expressive team playing in a balanced eleven full of youthful exuberance, technical ability and skill slowly finding their feet after being asked to move up an age group. Recently this has now become a team (not really by choice or design - just necessity) containing slightly older players most looking for clubs in the future (Intima, Fofana, Hiwula, Evans, Horsfield) and you can tell. Their development is still important to the club and rightly so - we have to do the upmost to find them a club if it isn't to be with City, and it still may be, but it has definitely impacted on the form of the team and consequently the surrounding younger players who just haven't adapted to the changes, due to a combination of confusion, being played out of position, and tiredness. This is natural and was always going to happen. Youth team squads are often bitty and fragmented and it's understandable that this will at times affect the players.

This isn't City's strongest team at u21 level. Far, far from it. Move Maffeo over to right back, bring in Tosin and Humphreys in defence. The injured pair of Boadu and Ambrose would bring pace, power and technical ability to our forward options. Iheanacho up top, Celina, perhaps. We have an abundance of talent in reserve - the thing that ties them together? They're incredibly young. That's cause for optimism and patience. It's easy to forget too that the out on loan quarter of Denayer, Lopes, Cole and Rekik are still u21s for City and this team, and you'd wager with good reason that tonight's result would be very different if those four were available. The u18s in tonight's team are not handling this end of season nigglyness and the fractured inconsistent teams and squads that come with it,particularly well - because they're tired. That's fair enough. This will happen - it's fine. They've done a lot this year, played some fantastic football, the vast majority of them have reached two finals, jumping between age groups as if its easy at times. They've won a cup as recently as last Friday, gone far in the UYL and become arguably the best footballing youth team in the country. Most of them had never played for the u21s before at the start of the season.

There is no cause for concern. Our young players still stuck to their game, they tried to play football the right way. It didn't happen, but they tried. That takes character, and its something they have in bucketfuls. They need a summer off now to assess all the many great things they've accomplished this season, and they'll come back stronger, more mature and ready to push on to greater things next year. Yes, we lost, but the United team we saw tonight isn't a United team to be excited about. It's a dogged one set up to be successful at youth team level, defending deep in their own half in front of 16,000 home fans, with experienced first-team who know how to attack. Ah well - good luck to them. I think our kids have more of a chance.

Good post Mate. Thats the way I saw it (flicking back and forwards from the CL game in the 2nd half). I couldn't believe the possession we had - at one point over 70% I think. The team will have learned from the experience and will come back next season rested and older. Too early to say how many of them will make it yet - they are still v young, but I do like the way Paddy has them playing confident technical football.

Always thought that the club could attempt to structure youth players slightly better i.e. at the start of each season the club should say right here are x no. of players that will play together for the U21s for the next 2 years, none will go on loan, none are ready yet for first team football so we keep them together for 2 years and let them develop at U21 level, competing in the U21 league and any U21 European games they can get. Pre-season they arrange for matches for this group against local first teams such as Oldham, Rochdale, Wigan, Bury etc, to get some experience of playing against older\first team players and maybe one or 2 first teams from other European leagues

At the same time those who have been in the U21 for say 2 years they look at and say the best 2 go on pre season with the first team and then into the match day squad of 18 for the first team when a new season starts, and get some minutes in games when suitable during the season (surely we can cope with 16 senior players available on match days, and if not getting enough minutes can drop back to play some U21 football at times in the season), another 6 - 8 go on loan to either other European top flight leagues or the Premier League\Championship to see if they progress and the rest are sold for modest fees. Then at the end of a season each player is assessed and the process starts again.
 
ninjamonkey said:
Blue Haze said:
Silva_Spell said:
In all likelihood we're rarely if ever going to produce an Aguero, the main point of the youth setup is to supplement the first team squad whilst buying the world class stars from elsewhere.

Of those who were out there today, I see potential in Angelino, Kean Bryan, Garcia, Pozo, Forfana, Bryne, and Barker (tho he was gash tonight), and they're all 17/18. I'm sure 1 or 2 will make it.

TBH in the immediate term we're only going to be seeing Denayer, Rekik, Lopes and Iheanacho getting a chance at making the squad
I think Kelechi is probably the only one who has a realistic chance of making it. Maybe Lopes and that is about it.

The rest will have a hard time making it in the PL, never mind City. Barker, for all his hype, doesn't even seem as good as Adam Johnson. And even less interested in tracking back than AJ!

Agree with you 100%. Reluctant to judge them just yet and I'm sure a good handful of them will go on to have very successful careers and some even in the premier league but none of them bar kelechi look like they'll be good enough for us.

Looking at Citys' youth teams it seems the most optimism is further down the age groups at U16 level and U14 level, and it may be that it is from these sort of age groups where the best players may emerge rather than the current U21 and U18
 

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