Uber London loses licence to operate

Im amazed at this decision, the Mayors days are numbered

Ive been using Uber for about 2 years now, never had a problem, in fact a lot of the drivers are very interesting people

Its great to see exactly how long the cab is gonna be and tracking it instead of just waiting, also great that no money changes hands, the cars are a lot nicer also.

I got charged a lot more than what I was quoted as they gave me a 'upgraded' car which I never asked for, never got refunded neither when I complained.

Other than that, I like the concept as the fares for a black cab are beyond a joke.
 
I don't understand the 'not insured unless booked in advance' stickers you see on taxis.

Surely every taxi you ride in has to have insurance, otherwise they can't have a licence?

Is it the case that if you ride in a taxi after flagging one down and it's involved in a crash leaving you a gibbering wreck, you have no recourse to compensation?

I have no idea, but why, if the driver is insured, wouldn't you be covered as a passenger?

Are there any precedents in case law that support the warning?
Private hire vehicles aren't licensed to ply for hire which is inextricably linked with flagging cabs down in the street. If they aren't licensed, or are carrying out driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence, any insurance attaching to that activity (taxi driving) is invalidated.

Footnote: as @Taxi has said, be aware of out of town plates, plying for hire in a borough other than their own, even if they've got a hackney carriage licence. They can only be private hire vehicles in other districts.

There's the case:

http://www.national-taxi-associatio...e-CC-vs.-Berwick-Upon-Tweed-BC-and-others.pdf
 
Btw are black cabs really that bad? People talking like the idea of getting a public hire taxi is worse than United winning the league
 
I don't understand the 'not insured unless booked in advance' stickers you see on taxis.

Surely every taxi you ride in has to have insurance, otherwise they can't have a licence?

Is it the case that if you ride in a taxi after flagging one down and it's involved in a crash leaving you a gibbering wreck, you have no recourse to compensation?

I have no idea, but why, if the driver is insured, wouldn't you be covered as a passenger?

Are there any precedents in case law that support the warning?

They are only insured if they are driving within the terms of their license. If a Private Hire (or Hackney Carriage outside its area - I.e. a 'Rossendale cab') picks you up of the street WITHOUT being booked through their operator, then they are outside the terms of their license and therefore not insured for the journey. Only Hackney Carriages working within their area can be hailed on the street or pick-up from ranks.

Most insurance policies on cars state that you are not covered if the journey is 'for hire or reward' which is why cabs of all types need specialised insurance that includes this cover.

I think we can all agree that insurance companies think of profit over ethics so if you get in an unlicensed cab and suffer life changing injuries, I think the insurance company will try their best to avoid paying out. You might be able to make a claim against the driver but I think the chance of getting the money you may need out of them is negligible.
 
Private hire vehicles aren't licensed to ply for hire which is inextricably linked with flagging cabs down in the street. If they aren't licensed, or are carrying out driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence, any insurance attaching to that activity (taxi driving) is invalidated.

Footnote: as @Taxi has said, be aware of out of town plates, plying for hire in a borough other than their own, even if they've got a hackney carriage licence. They can only be private hire vehicles in other districts.

There's the case:

http://www.national-taxi-associatio...e-CC-vs.-Berwick-Upon-Tweed-BC-and-others.pdf

Very well explained so take care out there.
 
They are only insured if they are driving within the terms of their license. If a Private Hire (or Hackney Carriage outside its area - I.e. a 'Rossendale cab') picks you up of the street WITHOUT being booked through their operator, then they are outside the terms of their license and therefore not insured for the journey. Only Hackney Carriages working within their area can be hailed on the street or pick-up from ranks.

Most insurance policies on cars state that you are not covered if the journey is 'for hire or reward' which is why cabs of all types need specialised insurance that includes this cover.

I think we can all agree that insurance companies think of profit over ethics so if you get in an unlicensed cab and suffer life changing injuries, I think the insurance company will try their best to avoid paying out. You might be able to make a claim against the driver but I think the chance of getting the money you may need out of them is negligible.

I understand that, but is there actually a case where someone has hailed a private hire cab in the street, suffered life changing injuries following a serious accident, and not been able to claim compensation from the drivers insurance?

It would have been a claim in common law.

Has that been established yet?
 
I understand that, but is there actually a case where someone has hailed a private hire cab in the street, suffered life changing injuries following a serious accident, and not been able to claim compensation from the drivers insurance?

It would have been a claim in common law.

Has that been established yet?

Maybe someone else can assist with the information but the vehicle would have been acting outside of it's remit therefore rendering the insurance invalid.That is my take on it.

Regarding the above legal case that @gordondaviesmoustache provided a link to.
http://www.national-taxi-associatio...e-CC-vs.-Berwick-Upon-Tweed-BC-and-others.pdf

Following on from paragragh 37 and the conclusions relating to intended use.
I believe Rossendale implemented the same in in 2016 which should go some way to controlling/ limiting the number of taxis working differnt districts.
http://www.rossendalenews.org.uk/rossendale-taxi-procedure-update/

The general public see a hackney vehicle and are under the impression they can hail it.
As explained above this is not the case when the vehicle is working out of borough.
How can customers who are under the influence of alchohol be expected to distinguish the finer details of licencing law when under duress ?.
 
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Forget all the rights and wrongs and mumbo jumbo of legal arguments, is there a case in common law of a passenger being in an illegally hailed private hire vehicle receiving life changing injuries that hasn't received appropriate compensation for their injuries from the insurance of the driver or company involved?
 
Forget all the rights and wrongs and mumbo jumbo of legal arguments, is there a case in common law of a passenger being in an illegally hailed private hire vehicle receiving life changing injuries that hasn't received appropriate compensation for their injuries from the insurance of the driver or company involved?

If you hailed a private hire the vehicles insurance would be invalid as stated on the vehicle door.
I did mention someone else could possibly assist with your query on compensation which I imagine to be complex.
If a vehicle is uninsured then there is a fund financed by the insurance companies to assist people set up by the MIB.(motor insurance beureau).
I assume this covers taxis too.Its a fair question and I will find out the implications for this scenario from our trade.
 

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