UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[DJBusinesscake]

Except CAS is not a court of law, it’s a sports tribunal that usually rules on doping cases.
I worry how impartial they will be in this case.

CAS isnt the final word, we can take it further than them if they also say we are guilty... correct me if im wrong about that guys.

Also correct me in presuming if we do appeal and it goes to CAS then wont we technically still be in the Champs league next season untill a decision is made? If thats the case then why is there so much media talk about 5th place getting a champs league spot next season? Because surely they know we are appealing???

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Yes, I think it’s probably a bit fanciful, and perhaps not really helpful, to think that we’re completely innocent here. There has undoubtedly been some creative accounting going on, but then find me a major corporation that doesn’t. Google, Amazon, Manchester fucking United, they’re all at it. It’s just absurd that we operate in perhaps the only industry in the world where it’s deemed more of a crime to invest in your company, rather than avoiding paying tax out of it. Mad world.

Couldn't agree more.

FT article from late 2018: https://www.ft.com/content/738537c8-d1f5-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5

HIghlights:

HMRC yielded £332 million in extra tax since 2015 - by tackling non-compliance in football industry (so maybe c£600 million undeclared income)

Inquiries into 171 players still "open" as at October 2018.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

It all comes down to whether the emails are real or not. Context or not, they look bad. Do CAS have disclosure powers? If not we are basically running a procedure argument and UEFAs defence is surely just ‘show us the emails then’?

 

[domalino]

The high court it goes too. Listen we know how this will play out. I would hazard a guess that uefa hope CAS will reduce the ban to 1 year and reduce the fine in the hope that we accept a lesser charge....

But this means we accept guilt. Our owners have persisted we are not guilty and have been hung out to dry

I may be wrong but I dont think CAS are in the business of compromising? They will say we are right or UEFA.

 

[davek1808]

CAS isnt the final word, we can take it further than them if they also say we are guilty... correct me if im wrong about that guys.

Also correct me in presuming if we do appeal and it goes to CAS then wont we technically still be in the Champs league next season untill a decision is made? If thats the case then why is there so much media talk about 5th place getting a champs league spot next season? Because surely they know we are appealing???

Because the media are a bunch of absolute twats?

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Let’s all hope so.
I’m giving it to some wankers if that happens :-)

Fuck em and wait
We will have the last laugh.

 

[Silva2021]

So where does 'irrefutable evidence' and 'no wrong doing' sit in that equation then ?

That will be our interpretation of events. It is most likely pretty grey and a fact find by UEFA with some evidence cherry picked and some ignored shows one version and the opposite something else.

We have lawyers who must be able to present a fully innocent version of events with evidence to back it up, wouldn’t however mean we’re 100% innocent.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

CAS isnt the final word, we can take it further than them if they also say we are guilty... correct me if im wrong about that guys.

Also correct me in presuming if we do appeal and it goes to CAS then wont we technically still be in the Champs league next season untill a decision is made? If thats the case then why is there so much media talk about 5th place getting a champs league spot next season? Because surely they know we are appealing???

We won't be in the CL until someone says we are. Chelsea were still under a transfer ban even though they were appealling. Not sure whose call it is.

As far as I know, sporting-wise, CAS is the top end. The whole FFP system, as an example, is a full legal matter though, and would be normal court.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I may be wrong but I dont think CAS are in the business of compromising? They will say we are right or UEFA.

I think they can assess things as excessive - isn't that what happened with Chelsea's transfer ban, although that was a matter of re-assessing some of the incidents and downgrading them.

 

[Gordyola]

Except CAS is not a court of law, it’s a sports tribunal that usually rules on doping cases.
I worry how impartial they will be in this case.

Totally impartial governed by Swiss law abiding to international standards with a pool of eminent lawyers
They do much more than doping
The panel of three one chosen by each side the other independent from a pool