UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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Kazzydeyna

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Taking into account the statement from the CEO regarding our innocence of all the charges with regard to breaching FFP I cannot see how we can accept any judgement of wrongdoing resulting in any form of ban or fine. If we do accept any such derevation I would expect his resignation as by accepting such we will have admitted we did wrong and he will be painted as a liar. Not sure his position would be tenable.

I've looked at the evidence as presented by der Spiegel previously and if neither we as a club or persons involved have given further evidence (which is what I suspect given the none compliance charge) or Etihad have divulged anything further then UEFA will have struggled to ascertain any further credible evidence as to our guilt of the alleged charges. I have tried to reconcile this with the fact that their evidence has allegedly been examined by a selection of high court judges within the IAC who have declared we have a substantial case to answer. The two sets of facts do not balance well meaning either they have more evidence than given credit for, although it's current source remains unknown, or the IAC judges have come to decisions totally without justification and questions as to impartiality would have to asked.

In any event CAS decisions are made public and it will make interesting reading. It should mean that all the evidence is laid bare for all to see. If we are innocent and this is upheld, it should mean that those responsible for the witch hunt are exposed and should lose their jobs as a minimum. I am unsure that if certain facts are revealed which would normally not be available to the general public if they would be included in any such summation or if they would be redacted on account of company privacy.

If it is our CEO and others proven to be at fault, then internally heads should roll and we will be finished in the short term. A Premier League investigation may follow the sanctions from which are unimaginable. There may even be criminal charges as we will have been caught cooking the books, which is a criminal offence.

The whole perception of the clubs integrity worldwide and by association HH SM and Abu Dhabi is at stake, make no mistake we cannot be found guilty by CAS as the repercussions don't bear thinking about. If you think our press is bad now just imagine the indignation from the written and rest of the press pack should we be proven guilty. (By any degree). Nothing less than full exhoneration is required.

The reckoning approaches.
As potentially doomsday like as your post reads I have to say I agree with every word of it. FWIW I am very confident we are totally innocent, mainly based on blind faith as a fan but also on the extremely bullish initial response from the club and Soriano in particular.

I do not pretend to be an expert on middle eastern culture but from what I know, to be proven a liar would be deeply damaging and it is this reason that leads me to think Soriano wouldnt have been so hugely indignant and combative in the aftermath of the ban. Quite simply I believe the club due to my own faith in them but also by following what I believe to be simple logic - to be SO combative and aggressive even in our immediate statement following the ban, tels me the club have proof of their innocence.

Never discount the possibility that uefa and their string pullers may have thought "sod the aftermath, let's do them now. By the time the truth comes out (and they'll probably push for a NDA in the judgement) the world will have judged them and plenty of mud will stick regardless of the truth"

Make no mistake, the stakes aren't simply can we play in europe for a year or two, the stakes are the very future of the club.

I expect us to win and I await the victory with relish.
 

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I hope the club go in for the kill.

My concern is UEFA will offer some concessions and we'll take that instead only to get fucked over again in another 5 years.
 

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#ManCity are 'primed and ready to go' in their bid to overturn their two-year Champions League ban. The process has been delayed by the coronavirus crisis, but City’s lawyers are in a position where they can put their case forward with minimal notice.

#ManCity have assured Pep Guardiola and his squad that they are innocent of the UEFA charges against them. The club are confident there will be no mass exodus, and remain convinced they will clear their name when they put their case to an independent tribunal. [
@MullockSMirror
#ManCity are 'primed and ready to go' in their bid to overturn their two-year Champions League ban. The process has been delayed by the coronavirus crisis, but City’s lawyers are in a position where they can put their case forward with minimal notice.

#ManCity have assured Pep Guardiola and his squad that they are innocent of the UEFA charges against them. The club are confident there will be no mass exodus, and remain convinced they will clear their name when they put their case to an independent tribunal. [
@MullockSMirror

A #ManCity source: “Our appeal has been fully prepared. The only thing we're waiting for is a date to be set aside. We've been putting our case together for more than a year because UEFA’s stance made it clear how this situation was going to be played out.” [
@MullockSMirror

He is a good source ? @Prestwich_Blue


A #ManCity source: “Our appeal has been fully prepared. The only thing we're waiting for is a date to be set aside. We've been putting our case together for more than a year because UEFA’s stance made it clear how this situation was going to be played out.” [
@MullockSMirror

He is a good source ? @Prestwich_Blue
alongside M Blackburn, he is most reliable id say.
 

richards30

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Can’t imagine khaldoon will have been blagging all this time that we are clean when we aren’t? Soriano might be the CEO but he still would have to have things approved by mansour, khaldoon and the board?!
 

Grassland Blue

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I believe that we are innocent of any wrongdoing.
The problem is, even if things go our way, some clubs' supporters will not accept that we are not corrupt and retain suspicion about us in their minds.
We really need to put this to bed and sue Der Spiegel and UEFA for reputational damage.
 

andyhinch

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I believe that we are innocent of any wrongdoing.
The problem is, even if things go our way, some clubs' supporters will not accept that we are not corrupt and retain suspicion about us in their minds.
We really need to put this to bed and sue Der Spiegel and UEFA for reputational damage.
Fuck them, fuck them all
 

franksinatra

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Taking into account the statement from the CEO regarding our innocence of all the charges with regard to breaching FFP I cannot see how we can accept any judgement of wrongdoing resulting in any form of ban or fine. If we do accept any such derevation I would expect his resignation as by accepting such we will have admitted we did wrong and he will be painted as a liar. Not sure his position would be tenable.

I've looked at the evidence as presented by der Spiegel previously and if neither we as a club or persons involved have given further evidence (which is what I suspect given the none compliance charge) or Etihad have divulged anything further then UEFA will have struggled to ascertain any further credible evidence as to our guilt of the alleged charges. I have tried to reconcile this with the fact that their evidence has allegedly been examined by a selection of high court judges within the IAC who have declared we have a substantial case to answer. The two sets of facts do not balance well meaning either they have more evidence than given credit for, although it's current source remains unknown, or the IAC judges have come to decisions totally without justification and questions as to impartiality would have to asked.

In any event CAS decisions are made public and it will make interesting reading. It should mean that all the evidence is laid bare for all to see. If we are innocent and this is upheld, it should mean that those responsible for the witch hunt are exposed and should lose their jobs as a minimum. I am unsure that if certain facts are revealed which would normally not be available to the general public if they would be included in any such summation or if they would be redacted on account of company privacy.

If it is our CEO and others proven to be at fault, then internally heads should roll and we will be finished in the short term. A Premier League investigation may follow the sanctions from which are unimaginable. There may even be criminal charges as we will have been caught cooking the books, which is a criminal offence.

The whole perception of the clubs integrity worldwide and by association HH SM and Abu Dhabi is at stake, make no mistake we cannot be found guilty by CAS as the repercussions don't bear thinking about. If you think our press is bad now just imagine the indignation from the written and rest of the press pack should we be proven guilty. (By any degree). Nothing less than full exhoneration is required.

The reckoning approaches.
Written like that, its pretty frightening the overall consequences of the CAS appeal. Lets just hope we prove beyond doubt our innocence.
 

Paladin

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I believe that we are innocent of any wrongdoing.
The problem is, even if things go our way, some clubs' supporters will not accept that we are not corrupt and retain suspicion about us in their minds.
We really need to put this to bed and sue Der Spiegel and UEFA for reputational damage.
What could we sue Der Spiegel for? All they have done is publish some leaked information. But the information was correct. It's other that have put a spin on the information and not looked at them in context.
 

Exeter Blue I am here

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Take a wild guess.......
Taking into account the statement from the CEO regarding our innocence of all the charges with regard to breaching FFP I cannot see how we can accept any judgement of wrongdoing resulting in any form of ban or fine. If we do accept any such derevation I would expect his resignation as by accepting such we will have admitted we did wrong and he will be painted as a liar. Not sure his position would be tenable.

I've looked at the evidence as presented by der Spiegel previously and if neither we as a club or persons involved have given further evidence (which is what I suspect given the none compliance charge) or Etihad have divulged anything further then UEFA will have struggled to ascertain any further credible evidence as to our guilt of the alleged charges. I have tried to reconcile this with the fact that their evidence has allegedly been examined by a selection of high court judges within the IAC who have declared we have a substantial case to answer. The two sets of facts do not balance well meaning either they have more evidence than given credit for, although it's current source remains unknown, or the IAC judges have come to decisions totally without justification and questions as to impartiality would have to asked.

In any event CAS decisions are made public and it will make interesting reading. It should mean that all the evidence is laid bare for all to see. If we are innocent and this is upheld, it should mean that those responsible for the witch hunt are exposed and should lose their jobs as a minimum. I am unsure that if certain facts are revealed which would normally not be available to the general public if they would be included in any such summation or if they would be redacted on account of company privacy.

If it is our CEO and others proven to be at fault, then internally heads should roll and we will be finished in the short term. A Premier League investigation may follow the sanctions from which are unimaginable. There may even be criminal charges as we will have been caught cooking the books, which is a criminal offence.

The whole perception of the clubs integrity worldwide and by association HH SM and Abu Dhabi is at stake, make no mistake we cannot be found guilty by CAS as the repercussions don't bear thinking about. If you think our press is bad now just imagine the indignation from the written and rest of the press pack should we be proven guilty. (By any degree). Nothing less than full exhoneration is required.

The reckoning approaches.
That is the bit that has troubled me ever since the announcement......
 
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