UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

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I am bloody sure they have much to hide and are not wanting to throw too many stones in a glass house. We know they are corrupt and City likely have the means to cause a rather large shitstorm if provoked into doing so. I think there will certainly no shortage of people in Uefa rather hoping this will go away asap.
I`ve seen some rubbish posted on here tonight regarding how Khaldoon is going to react this time around.
Mark my words,I see Khaldoon as someone who comes over as a very "nice" person in front of the camera.
However I sense he `s actually a man of steel,not to be crossed,nor suffers fools gladly.
 
I`ve seen some rubbish posted on here tonight regarding how Khaldoon is going to react this time around.
Mark my words,I see Khaldoon as someone who comes over as a very "nice" person in front of the camera.
However I sense he `s actually a man of steel,not to be crossed,nor suffers fools gladly.

I suspect and hope you are right I doubt he has got where he has without having to show another side to himself.
 
I`ve seen some rubbish posted on here tonight regarding how Khaldoon is going to react this time around.
Mark my words,I see Khaldoon as someone who comes over as a very "nice" person in front of the camera.
However I sense he `s actually a man of steel,not to be crossed,nor suffers fools gladly.

I guy like him didn’t get to the position he is in by being a ‘nice’ guy who is easily push away. A real smooth operator a bit like, and I use this is a nice way, an honest mafia boss.
 
Worse case scenario but not impossible imho maybe I should say a couple of season mediocrity, i would not expect tumbling into relegation and the like but I think it could do a lot more damage than many think.
Don’t jump, mate....it’ll be OK...honest!

WTF?
 
I`ve seen some rubbish posted on here tonight regarding how Khaldoon is going to react this time around.
Mark my words,I see Khaldoon as someone who comes over as a very "nice" person in front of the camera.
However I sense he `s actually a man of steel,not to be crossed,nor suffers fools gladly.
Don’t fuck with a man and his business, especially when he is used to being taken seriously and considered a global man of integrity and propriety!
 
I`ve seen some rubbish posted on here tonight regarding how Khaldoon is going to react this time around.
Mark my words,I see Khaldoon as someone who comes over as a very "nice" person in front of the camera.
However I sense he `s actually a man of steel,not to be crossed,nor suffers fools gladly.
Yep, I suspect that Rummenigge & Horness, in particular, have bitten off a bit more than they can chew,on this one, and will shortly be floundering around, caught in a cesspit of their own corrupt dealings as a result.
 
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Yep, I suspect that Rummenigge & Horness, in particular, have been a bit too clever by half on this one and will shortly be floundering around in a cesspool of their own making as a result.
The truth is City have done nothing wrong.
UEFA keep shifting the goalposts but they themselves are on no terra firma. They are scared of getting dragged into a battle that will expose their own corruption. Mansour and Khaldoon know theyve got UEFA by the bollocks but UEFA have to tightrope act to make sure the Euro cartel and the gang of 12 are appeased. It's obvious that 'clear the way' compromise solution discussions, to resolve the impasse between UEFA, the establishment and Khaldoon, have already taken place between City and UEFA.
Game of charades in which City know their role. Branded as naughty pantomime villains but no really effective punishment but enough to allow the establishment maintain their airs and grace's of superior moral fibre.
Everyone is happy.
 
The truth is City have done nothing wrong.
UEFA keep shifting the goalposts but they themselves are on no terra firma. They are scared of getting dragged into a battle that will expose their own corruption. Mansour and Khaldoon know theyve got UEFA by the bollocks but UEFA have to tightrope act to make sure the Euro cartel and the gang of 12 are appeased. It's obvious that 'clear the way' compromise solution discussions, to resolve the impasse between UEFA, the establishment and Khaldoon, have already taken place between City and UEFA.
Game of charades in which City know their role. Branded as naughty pantomime villains but no really effective punishment but enough to allow the establishment maintain their airs and grace's of superior moral fibre.
Everyone is happy.
I strongly suspect you may be right in all that you say, and we’ll, no doubt, just get a tap on the wrist again before everything settles down again...’till they move the goalposts once again
 
Loving that statement. Robust and assured.

I'm a bit unsure on it. You're a legal man, so I'd be interested on your take on this.

Our initial statement made reference to "materials purported to be hacked or stolen from Manchester City... ".

Initially we weren't even acknowledging that the emails were genuine.

The latest statement makes reference to the "publication of City emails". We're essentially accepting that the emails are genuine.

Our defence is now following the line that they were published "out of context".

Having read the emails published in Der Speigel, I'm struggling to see what the context could possibly be other than the obvious?

I accept the "His Highness" comment could be taken out of context.

But the emails from Simon Pearce referring to ADUG paying certain sums on sponsors behalf. The spreadsheets with ADUG's contribution listed. I'm struggling to see what the context of that could possibly be, other than what it initially appears.

Our statement goes on to say "the club's published accounts are full and complete and a matter of legal and regulatory record".

This essentially says to me - City's accounts are legitimate, they've been independently audited. Which I'm sure is true.

The leaked emails clearly suggest ADUG (City's parent company at the time) was funding the sponsorship deals of Etihad, Aarbar etc.

I assume going off the IAS for Related Party Transactions, there is no issue with that, so City's accounts are still legitimate.

PBs assertion that the Etihad deal was judged fair value and so is fireproof seems to make sense.

But the other deals that were seemingly propped up - Aarbar, Etisalat etc were not judged as fair value.

But by the IAS definition, they are not considered Related Parties to Manchester City.

So the club's assertion that "the accusation of financial irregularities is entirely false" is again probably true in a legal sense.

It seems to me, the crux of this investigation is going to rest on whether UEFA can prove Aarbar, Etisalat etc are related parties.

City's defence will be, by IAS they are not.

UEFA's may well be that they have a different interpretation.

The tone of the statement to me seems to be suggesting that City have done what is being reported - essentially sponsoring ourselves. But that from a legal stand point we are confident we have done nothing wrong.

I would assume UEFA are unlikely to challenge that in a court. But they will probably have their nose put out of joint that we have not followed the "spirit" of the rules.

My concern is they will not want to be made a fool of and will want to take some kind of action against City in order to save face. I wouldn't put it past them to invent yet more bullshit arbitrary rules like a "failure to uphold the spirit of FFP and fully respect the superiority of UEFA 'Legacy' Clubs" Annex.

Just to clarify, I think FFP is an absolute joke and is anti-competitive and should be thrown out.

But it does appear to me that City have walked a very precarious tightrope to try to get around them. My concern is that UEFA, the ECA, and seemingly 12 vested interest PL clubs will be baying for blood for some action to be taken.

City may well be in the clear from a legal standpoint. But if the last 10 years has taught us anything, it's that UEFA are not averse to making up their own rules as they go along.
 
Don’t know if you’re wumming or clueless.
Neither would be my assessment.

Look fellas, let's be honest with ourselves here. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then it's probably a duck isn't it.

And the plain reality is the allegedly leaked emails probably are leaked emails. And the content which appear to show we cheated, probably does show that we cheated.

We can gripe and moan and complain about how unfair the rules are and how UEFA have been out to get us all along etc etc etc and yes all of that is very probably true. But it's also probably true that we've bent or stretched the rules to the limit with frankly pretty iffy sponsor deals and from these emails it looks very much like we have actually bent the rules too far.

Do I have a problem with this? Absolutely not. Football is corrupt from top to bottom and if we've broken rules - unfair rules - I couldn't give a shit. And can UEFA prove it? Maybe, maybe not. Do they want all this to go away? Who knows. Frankly I don't give a toss.

But let's not get all indignant and arsey when a fellow blue puts his hand up and says "you know what, we probably did cheat" because actually it looks very much like we did.
 
Neither would be my assessment.

Look fellas, let's be honest with ourselves here. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then it's probably a duck isn't it.

And the plain reality is the allegedly leaked emails probably are leaked emails. And the content which appear to show we cheated, probably does show that we cheated.

We can gripe and moan and complain about how unfair the rules are and how UEFA have been out to get us all along etc etc etc and yes all of that is very probably true. But it's also probably true that we've bent or stretched the rules to the limit with frankly pretty iffy sponsor deals and from these emails it looks very much like we have actually bent the rules too far.

Do I have a problem with this? Absolutely not. Football is corrupt from top to bottom and if we've broken rules - unfair rules - I couldn't give a shit. And can UEFA prove it? Maybe, maybe not. Do they want all this to go away? Who knows. Frankly I don't give a toss.

But let's not get all indignant and arsey when a fellow blue puts his hand up and says "you know what, we probably did cheat" because actually it looks very much like we did.
That's a dangerous route to go down though.
Shit sticks even if it's lies so best you do not even contemplate going there.
It's not a black and white case so you can not say whether cheating has occurred or not within the parameters of finsncial fair play, as the goalposts are constantly shifting.
Admitting guilt will involve a lot of collateral damage,resulting in sporting reputation in tatters, City will be branded and that will be harder to shake off than if City get banned.
You've got to box more cleverly than that.
 
We must have been preparing our defence for quite some time and with the Abu Dhabi brand at stake I'm sure this is going to be a very serious scrap...
 
How can Uefa not be seen to investigate when the media is full of City breaking the rules?
I would be surprised if this is much more than a PR exercise.
If it is more, I imagine that our defence would be spectacularly robust on this occasion, given what we previously tolerated.

Despite my firm allegiance to the club, I would be very surprised if we have not pushed the boundaries here and there to accelerate the process of development. That doesn't mean that we have broken the law, but having watched our friends from Stretford push the boundaries for decades while we sat and watched their accelerated development, I understand the frustrations of those outside the club. I am not arsed, but I do understand!
 
City have responded

Manchester City welcomes the opening of a formal UEFA investigation as an opportunity to bring to an end the speculation resulting from the illegal hacking and out of context publication of City emails.
The accusation of financial irregularities are entirely false. The Club’s published accounts are full and complete and a matter of legal and regulatory record.
Well, you couldn't get a stronger statement than that.If City can back this up--"entirely false"--- Uefa will have to back down. The cartel, however, will continue to put pressure on them, otherwise the purpose of ffp -- the protection of the cartel-- will be entirely defeated. Tolmie stated the other day that we had all our ducks in a row. Will be a mighty battle, one party will be lying dying in the dust. Let's hope its ffp.
 
Thanks Corporal Jones.
Hopefully you're not on our legal team.

You're right, maybe we should just walk in there...

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And tell them to fuck off.
 
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We haven't been charged with anything as yet, it's just a so called investigation.

An investigation is not good, because even if we come out of it as white as the driven snow, the reputational damage is still there.
 
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Well, you couldn't get a stronger statement than that.If City can back this up--"entirely false"--- Uefa will have to back down. The cartel, however, will continue to put pressure on them, otherwise the purpose of ffp -- the protection of the cartel-- will be entirely defeated. Tolmie stated the other day that we had all our ducks in a row. Will be a mighty battle, one party will be lying dying in the dust. Let's hope its ffp.



Let`s hope it`s UEFA and David Gill.
 
Even if they dont use the fake emails, could they investigate our ongoing sponsorship agreements and player contracts to "nail us". If we were circumventing the rules, presumably we still are (to some extent)? If they simply close down these "loopholes" (if they genuinely exist) would that affect our ongoing ability to comply with FFP?
No problem going forward. We make a small profit now. Go back a while and I'm sure we sailed close to the wind to get the project off the ground, but we agreed a level of sanctions with Uefa and they can only go back if they can prove we made false statements. That is the point of City saying the accounts were accurate.
 
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