UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[give it to gordon]

Uefa persuaded the EU commission that sport was a special case.

More brown envelopes I guess ...

 

[squirtyflower]

Quick note on the leaked documents

Pinto have admitted multiple times that he didn't obtain all of the 'leaked documents' himself

So a club, agent or individual / group other than Pinto potentially hacked or stole the City documents

I doubt that this was done via the goodness of someone's heart, so can a third party who financially benefits from the stolen documents count as a whistleblower?

And i often wonder how they were able to get into our systems to hack it.
However when you have employees of other football clubs logging into our systems illegally it’s not a leap of imagination to see that used as a back door entry into our network.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Quick note on the leaked documents

Pinto have admitted multiple times that he didn't obtain all of the 'leaked documents' himself

So a club, agent or individual / group other than Pinto potentially hacked or stole the City documents

I doubt that this was done via the goodness of someone's heart, so can a third party who financially benefits from the stolen documents count as a whistleblower?

Hackers hack for anything they can find that they think they can use; that could be for profit, to disrupt something they oppose, or to impress people into supporting them
None of the Football Leaks hack is close to whistleblowing - they're not employees of anyone exposing corruption, and there was a vast amount of this material.

What we saw is the bit Spiegel published about City. There was a collective of journos from many countries looking at the hack trove to see what they could find, and parts were published in specific countries - I'm pretty certain the French media published a lot on PSG which would have no interest to most people in England.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

And i often wonder how they were able to get into our systems to hack it.
However when you have employees of other football clubs logging into our systems illegally it’s not a leap of imagination to see that used as a back door entry into our network.

Just imagine the shitstorm if the origin of the email hacking came from Liverpool, the password used for the scouting network could even as a stand alone system be a gateway into our mainframe stuff.

 

[squirtyflower]

Just imagine the shitstorm if the origin of the email hacking came from Liverpool, the password used for the scouting network could even as a stand alone system be a gateway into our mainframe stuff.

Indeed
But I’m sure Liverpool’s owners are not into any form of deception or cheating are they?

 

[waspish]

why are people so confident that if 'found guilty' and given a ban, CAS would overturn that ruling in our favour?

This is different to any other previous FFP case, including our own punishment. From what i understand, So far, clubs have (including ourselves) been accused of breaching FFP limits, and CAS simply ruled that the punishments were disproportionate and unfair, not that the breach didn't occur. In some cases, the punishment was avoided, in n others suspended (but still applied).

What we are accused of is different, it is not breaching ffp, it is misleading uefa and book-fixing, effectively claimed as cheating. It no longer becomes a simple, is the punishment too onerous for the breach (of a shit rule), and the message CAS would be sending puts a different pressure on the whole thing, if we are found guilty by Uefa.

Putting aside all the crap, about how this came about, the 'evidence', the behind the scenes plays etc etc, it is a bit different in principle to other CAS cases.

While i do like how strongly the club have approached this and how resolute they aeem, as much as a long battle would be damaging for uefa, long term, it might not be the best outcome for us. surely, no punishment or need to appeal would be better, and uefa finding a way out of finding us 'guilty' would be preferred. for me at least. the time to challenge ffp was 2014, a bit different now.

We broke NO Uefa Rules if city found a loop hole and exploited it whose at fault?

 

[Uwe Already]

Quick note on the leaked documents

Pinto have admitted multiple times that he didn't obtain all of the 'leaked documents' himself

So a club, agent or individual / group other than Pinto potentially hacked or stole the City documents

I doubt that this was done via the goodness of someone's heart, so can a third party who financially benefits from the stolen documents count as a whistleblower?

Bit of a leap to say we were hacked by another club though? Oh, hang on a minute...

Is this the master plan unveiling itself? ;)

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

Bit of a leap to say we were hacked by another club though? Oh, hang on a minute...

Is this the master plan unveiling itself? ;)

My assumption has always been not another club but vested interests
Recent news has made me go hmmmm

 

[MillionMilesAway]

We broke NO Uefa Rules if city found a loop hole and exploited it whose at fault?

As long as we didn't lie to them.

 

[waspish]

As long as we didn't lie to them.

What you on about they accusing us of breaking Uefa rules we told them we haven’t.

 

[Kenward Garg]

But will be reopened in six years

I think in six years City will have done what Michael Corleone did in the first Godfather movie: the elimination of all its enemies. There’s a reckoning coming but they’ve fucked with the wrong people: the Sheikh and his associates are trillionaires and in a world where money talks, he’s going to take them to the “cleaners”.

 

[blue oli]

My assumption has always been not another club but vested interests
Recent news has made me go hmmmm

Corona virus ?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

What you on about they accusing us of breaking Uefa rules we told them we haven’t.

I think that's probably right. The claim seems mainly that we worked round them - the loophole mentioned above - which seems harder to do anything about.

My point was "as long as we haven't lied to them" - that would knock down any defence.

 

[Kenward Garg]

Why is it against the rules of UEFA for a person to buy a company (football club) that isnt doing very well, than invest in the company and after 10 years turn that struggling company into a very successful profit making company. I would have thought having a successful company would be good for the imagine if UEFA, and it could encourage other people to buy struggling clubs and try to repeat the success. It can only be good to have well run successful clubs both on and of the field.

Just on a layman's term wont UEFA be breaking the European law by perverting someone from investing in his company ?. That would imply that UEFA is a closed shop and against free and fair trade.

Cartel: an association of manufacturers or suppliers [or the G14/16] with the purpose of maintaining prices [or profits, trophies etc] at a high level and restricting competition [Manchester City Football Club].

 

[give it to gordon]

Cartel: an association of manufacturers or suppliers [or the G14/16] with the purpose of maintaining prices [or profits, trophies etc] at a high level and restricting competition [Manchester City Football Club].

Yea I get that but it's that against the European free trade ?....seems bizarre that somehow thats allowed just because its football

 

[nmc]

Yea I get that but it's that against the European free trade ?....seems bizarre that somehow thats allowed just because its football

Maybe why UEFA hide in Switzerland

 

[Kenward Garg]

I don't normally do conspiracy theories, but anyway what the heck...

What for a minute the end game here was a preempted plan to discredit uefa and wrestle control of european football, its setup and more importantly its rights and revenue making ability

Now we all know that this ongoing case is being pushed by certain organisations to make uefa punish us, which puts uefa in a very hard place. Do they succumb to the cartel and act, risking a lengthy possibly huge financial backlash from us.......

....or do they go against the cartel which would cause a huge outcry from those clubs which could run the risk of the cartel saying that uefa are unfit to run european football



Whatever is going on i just hope we are ready for the war that will follow and we expose whatever clubs and their representatives are involved

You’re on to something. It’s no secret that the G14 or 16 want some sort of European super league nominally run by UEFA. From what I read once, MCFC, along with Chelsea, were not invited to the “party”. As a result, CFG have decided to back FIFA’s world club competition.

In essence, there’s a hell of a lot of politics in football that is not reported by the mainstream media but in the end, it will come down to money and then power: one thing the Sheikh - a trillionaire - and his associates are not short of by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Kenward Garg]

Yea I get that but it's that against the European free trade ?....seems bizarre that somehow thats allowed just because its football

Cartels and monopolies are implicit. In tandem with organisations with a vested interest and a compliant media: it will never be explicit.

 

[Kenward Garg]

Well its either united or liverpool. The question is which one was daft enough to do it.

I prtsonally hope we have evidence on both the fuckers. United are nearly done, they are languishing and sinking fast

Liverpool on the other hand have seen an upturn and we all know how they operate...i actually hope that this has their mucky thieving fingerprints all over it and the supposed hard evidence you mentioned has them included

If I was a betting man I’d put my money on Livarpool. From the outside, it seems to me that the Glazers don’t particularly care about winning: it’s just business. John W. Henry is a sports owner who wants to enrich himself but he also wants to win in the process.

There’s a scene at the end of the film “Moneyball” - I highly recommend it by the way - that can enlighten you to his mindset. What’s more enlightening is the reports coming out of the USA in respect to his baseball franchise; doping, stealing of signs and illegality.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Yea I get that but it's that against the European free trade ?....seems bizarre that somehow thats allowed just because its football

It's certainly been suggested that the Big Red Button on FFP is real court (i.e. not CAS) which would find it against European law.

No-one has tested it though, and there would be vast amounts of pressure put on any club who thought to do so.