UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[chaddblue]

Fucking goblins.

That's two ****s who should never be allowed in the ground ever again

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I know this already.

I'm on City side because FFP is a scam. I'm just pointing out the difference between the cases because everyone is asking why the outcome is different.

If it was only for me, FFP would be scrapped and the malignant lobbies that have put it in motion would be investigated.

More room to manoeuvre because of obvious allegiances behind the scenes, don’t be so naive, this is Twatinis baby!

 

[burning blue soul]

I am not looking forward to waking up and having to sift through 453 pages haha.

If someone can give a summary when we hit page 1575 or so at around 8am I'd be grateful.

A hell of a lot has been said and debated on this situation, but the main point to be taken from the last 500 posts is that some kid (allegedly) wanked a dog off forty years ago!
Hope this helps!

 

[Parisian]

Bottom line is both allegations are the same, in that revenue has been bloated through unethical means.

How either club arrived at that point is immaterial.

No because, this is the rule they are saying you have breached :

General responsibilities of the licence applicant
1 The licence applicant must provide the licensor with: a) all necessary information and/or relevant documents to fully demonstrate that the licensing obligations are fulfilled; and b) any other document relevant for decision-making by the licensor.

2 This includes information on the reporting entity/entities in respect of which sporting, infrastructure, personnel and administrative, legal and financial information is required to be provided.

3 Any event occurring after the submission of the licensing documentation to the licensor representing a significant change to the information previously submitted must be promptly notified to the licensor (including a change of the licence applicant’s legal form, legal group structure or identity).

And i guess they accuse you of not being compliant with the break even rule after they substract whatever amount they chose was inflated in your sponsorship.

PSG was compliant with the break even rule EVEN AFTER the successive cuts in their sponsorship. This is why they tried to further decrease it. They can't sanction us when they are not able to find a single breach of their rules.

That being said, i don't think City did anything unethical here. The only thing that makes it unethical is a flawed FFP construct.

 

[cheekybids]

The usual suspects crawl from under their stones......

IAN HERBERT: Manchester City have established a reputation as a grubby club with under the table dealings... UEFA's two-year Champions League ban is SO right.

IAN LADYMAN: If Manchester City have won trophies by CHEATING the system then we must put an asterisk against their success and question how long Pep Guardiola will stick around
By Ian Ladyman for MailOnline.

Surely they aren’t allowed anywhere near our stadium after that especially when they work for a grubby Nazi sympathising rag.

 

[Parisian]

More room to manoeuvre because of obvious allegiances behind the scenes, don’t be so naive, this is Twatinis baby!

Tebas was on the frontseat asking for sanctions for PSG and then City.

And here you can see he is again asking today for sanctions on City but also PSG:

 

[razman]

The usual suspects crawl from under their stones......

IAN HERBERT: Manchester City have established a reputation as a grubby club with under the table dealings... UEFA's two-year Champions League ban is SO right.

IAN LADYMAN: If Manchester City have won trophies by CHEATING the system then we must put an asterisk against their success and question how long Pep Guardiola will stick around
By Ian Ladyman for MailOnline.

Really hope they are no longer allowed at press conferences

 

[cheekybids]

A hell of a lot has been said and debated on this situation, but the main point to be taken from the last 500 posts is that some kid (allegedly) wanked a dog off forty years ago!
Hope this helps!

Do we know what breed?

 

[Newman Noggs]

Fucking ingrates. Whilst we're considering FFP in all.its guises, let's have a look at who would have won the Premier League in the last 20 years if City hadn't come along to disrupt the cartel.

2000/1- united
2001/2 - Arsenal
2002/3 - united
2003/4 - Arsenal
2004/5 - Chelsea
2005/6 - Chelsea
2006/7 - united
2007/8 - united
2008/9 - united
2009/10 - Chelsea
2010/11 - united
2011/12 - united
2012/13 - united
2013/14 - liverpool
2014/15 - Chelsea
2015/16 - Leicester (God bless 'em)
2016/17 - Chelsea
2017/18 - united
2018/19 - liverpool
2019/20 - liverpool

Most competitive league in the world ? Essentially, without us 20 years of the same 4 Champions League clubs divvying up the title every year except one. And without sustained investment Leicester were fucked.

The Premier League should be down on bended knee thanking us for saving their shit show of a rigged "competition".

 

[Newman Noggs]

The usual suspects crawl from under their stones......

IAN HERBERT: Manchester City have established a reputation as a grubby club with under the table dealings... UEFA's two-year Champions League ban is SO right.

IAN LADYMAN: If Manchester City have won trophies by CHEATING the system then we must put an asterisk against their success and question how long Pep Guardiola will stick around
By Ian Ladyman for MailOnline.

So every club who won the league prior to FFP should also have an asterisk ?

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Tebas was on the frontseat asking for sanctions for PSG and then City.

And here you can see he is again asking today for sanctions on City but also PSG:

more Concerned by the man who has driven the whole FFP train, regardless if he’s no longer on the scene (appearance sakes)

 

[nellyonthewing]

Ian Ladyman and Ian Herbert must never again be allowed through our doors

 

[BosnianBlue]

Do you not reckon the club have kept him completely informed on the hidden elements of this thing though? As in the club are apparently confident, wouldn't they be doing absolutely everything in their power to reassure Pep to not worry about today's announcement? If that works then Pep carries on as per normal.

It's possible some of the players could have been clued in too, no?

not sure what that has with what I said. I said IF he runs away, I won't look at him with same eyes. I don't have idea what he talks with club, just feel that it would felt as betrayal of his spanish duo friends, khaldoon, SM and all at club that made him feel like a deity of football.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Just ordered my new Liverpool shirt, Champions 20 on the back.

Good luck suckers :-)

 

[Parisian]

more Concerned by the man who has driven the whole FFP train, regardless if he’s no longer on the scene (appearance sakes)

Then how do you explain PSG got a sanction together with City in 2014 if Platini was giving a special protection to the french club ?

You just have to read UEFA rules to understand the differences in the case and why/how they are trying to trap City.

-PSG case : inflated sponsorship from related parties. It has been dealt with according to their rules :

BREAK-EVEN REQUIREMENT
Notion of relevant income and expenses

1 Relevant income and relevant expenses are defined in Annex X.

2 Relevant income and expenses must be calculated and reconciled by the licensee to the audited annual financial statements and/or underlying accounting records and to the projected break-even information if applicable.

3 Relevant income and expenses from related parties must be adjusted to reflect the fair value of any such transactions or, for player transfers between clubs that are related parties, the value in accordance with Annex X

PSG sponsors from related parties have been investigated again and again and the value adjusted to the "fair value". After that, PSG balanced the account to cover the difference by selling players.
Hence why they couldn't sanction. They have to follow their rules.



-In City case, the leaks have given them ammunition to say City have breached those rules :

The licensee must:
a) cooperate with the licensor and the UEFA Club Financial Control Body in respect of their requests and enquiries;

b) provide the licensor and the UEFA Club Financial Control Body with all necessary information and/or relevant documents to fully demonstrate that the monitoring requirements are fulfilled, as well as any other document requested and deemed to be relevant for club monitoring decision-making, by the deadline set by the licensor and/or the UEFA administration (the reporting entity or combination of entities in respect of which information is required must be the same as for club licensing);

c) confirm that all the submitted documentation and information are complete and accurate;

d) promptly notify the licensor in writing about any subsequent events that constitute a significant change to the information previously submitted to the licensor, including a change of legal form or legal group structure

And by subsequently adjusting the contract to their new "fair value", they have artificially put you into break even deficit.

Then City has accused UEFA of having breached on of their own rules :

The licensor must:

a) communicate the deadlines of the monitoring process to the licensee;

b) cooperate with the UEFA Club Financial Control Body in respect of its requests and enquiries;

c) as a minimum assess the monitoring documentation in accordance with Annex IX;

d) assess and confirm to the UEFA Club Financial Control Body that the selected reporting perimeter is the same as used for the fulfilment of the club licensing criteria and is appropriate for club monitoring purposes;

e) inform the UEFA Club Financial Control Body of any relevant information submitted by the licensee in respect of club monitoring requirements and any event occurring after the licensing decision that constitutes a significant change to the information previously submitted by the licensee.

In carrying out these responsibilities, the licensor ensures equal treatment and guarantees full confidentiality of all information provided.


It is not hard to follow if you read UEFA rules. No need to put Platini into the discussion. If there are leaks pointing to PSG doing the same thing, you can be sure Tebas and the cartel and the media will push (he is already doing it now) for another investigation and further due sanctions.

 

[Keeper!]

I understand but it should be a matter of honour now. I'll always remember the football we played under him, but I won't respect him anymore if he jumps the ship now. He got all the love from the club, his mates are in trouble, if he runs away, I won't have any good opinion about him as a man.

Totally agree, if any of the 3 amigos walk away now , their reputations will be damaged for ever.

The same would apply to any player who left because of the ban.

 

[BosnianBlue]

Our enemies got what they waited for years. It's an open season of kicking City's reputation to death. Whatever this ends with, we'll feel the serious damage for some time. Even if we win the appeal, which would solve the biggest problem, the brand's reputation is seriously damaged.

 

[VOOMER]

It is relevant because the case are not the same.

PSG wasn't accused of what City is "technically" accused right now. Everyone was laughing at PSG QTA contract and it got investigated. Here, they are saying City inflated their sponsors in a clever way in order to fool them and prevent an investigation.

I'm not siding with UEFA and the cartel since FFP is a scam but the case are different technically.

Haha priceless.

 

[citymad]

I think it will become less playful goading and more vitriolic. If we win the cup final guess what the main topic of conversation will be about!

Exactly. It’s likely our reputation is tarnished for ever. Every game we win will be followed by the inevitable snidey comment. I feel a part of my soul has died.

 

[doobyedoobye]

Foden's going to get more games next season