UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[KS55]

Premier League has brought in its own form of financial regulation which is not as stringent as Uefa's FFP. Clubs cannot make a loss in excess of £105m Over a three seasons!

No. That's lifted from a muddled BBC report. Go to PL website and look up the Handbook, then tell us which para limits spending. (Btw, forget the short term wage limlits, they have been junked).

 

[RayCTID]

And quietly dropped the wages rule for Man Utd in the Summer. That more or less went unreported.

That is very telling about the whole of the FFP

 

[Uptop]

Maybe now the club will start to bite back at all the ****s lying or twisting the truth about us, I really dont get why we never put our foot down about the blatant lies they would tell which are now seen as truth by your average person. There is for sure a degree of ignorance or racism at play too, as our owner is apparently the owner of every middle east company and also at fault for all human rights issues too due to being a family member of a ruler. Even the fucking BBC reporting Etihad is owned by our owner which is just blatantly false, why dont we ever correct them?

I believe the fact we never challenged the media has in part allowed UEFA to act they way they have, as we are already seen as the boogeyman after years of negative press, if we had defended ourselves from the start it wouldnt be so easy for them to make up charges against us after moving the goalposts, the majority are happy to see us punished as they think it means the rules are working, without realising the rules just keep the top few in place and nobody else will ever compete again. Very short sighted but making an example of us keeps them happy without seeing they themselves have no chance to reach the top.

Unfortunately that chance is gone and our reputation has been damaged, possibly for a long time. I know not everyone cares but investors and sponsors will, which helps keep the club competitive. Also players will bear in mind club reputation when joining, if they think it will affect them negatively from a PR point of view they will be more cautious of joining, especially in this social media age.

I hope after we "took the pinch" last time that we come out all guns blazing this time, I dont want to see us taking anymore shit from UEFA or the Media ****s.

 

[dadnlad]

Some form of protest at the Real Madrid match would be welcome. Perhaps the early leavers could stay until 80 mins :-)

that late lol

 

[blue by birth]

The forum that I am banned from for not liking liverpool is full of liverpool fans saying it wont be fair next season as we will have a free run at the premiership and can spend what we want !!!

Wow I thought it was only me banned on there for telling the scouse vermin the truth about their disgusting club and even more disgusting followers

 

[Ric]

Some form of protest at the Real Madrid match would be welcome. Perhaps the early leavers could stay until 80 mins :-)

I’m thinking of going for my half-time pint at 35 minutes instead of 40. That’ll show ‘em.

 

[blue by birth]

Just to be clear are we talking about WU or Liverpool?

I would hazard a guess and say both

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I think it may have been raised earlier in the thread but I missed an answer. The AC won’t publish the grounds for their decision to ban us unless we either don’t appeal, or until CAS have determined an appeal. Doesn’t look very transparent - why would they do that?

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Just got home from my morning coffee and read PB's posts from this morning. I still think, as I posted last night, that CAS will overturn the AC's decision on procedural grounds and in that sense we'll "escape". But, as PB pointed out, the mud will stick and City will not accept this. City have already demanded damages in their submission to CAS and the mud can only increase the sums in question. Whether CAS can deal with this matter other than on and ad hoc "let's compromise" basis seems to me highly unlikely. City, their sponsors and their accountants will have to go to the ECJ for a ruling that the finances of football clubs are regulated by the same laws as any other enterprise. This may well shine a light on the very murky manoeuvrings behind the introduction of FFP and the cartel ends it has been put to since. I think the "break even principle" will not survive even the most cursory attention from the ECJ.

 

[Marvin]

Maybe now the club will start to bite back at all the ****s lying or twisting the truth about us, I really dont get why we never put our foot down about the blatant lies they would tell which are now seen as truth by your average person. There is for sure a degree of ignorance or racism at play too, as our owner is apparently the owner of every middle east company and also at fault for all human rights issues too due to being a family member of a ruler. Even the fucking BBC reporting Etihad is owned by our owner which is just blatantly false, why dont we ever correct them?

I believe the fact we never challenged the media has in part allowed UEFA to act they way they have, as we are already seen as the boogeyman after years of negative press, if we had defended ourselves from the start it wouldnt be so easy for them to make up charges against us after moving the goalposts, the majority are happy to see us punished as they think it means the rules are working, without realising the rules just keep the top few in place and nobody else will ever compete again. Very short sighted but making an example of us keeps them happy without seeing they themselves have no chance to reach the top.

Unfortunately that chance is gone and our reputation has been damaged, possibly for a long time. I know not everyone cares but investors and sponsors will, which helps keep the club competitive. Also players will bear in mind club reputation when joining, if they think it will affect them negatively from a PR point of view they will be more cautious of joining, especially in this social media age.

I hope after we "took the pinch" last time that we come out all guns blazing this time, I dont want to see us taking anymore shit from UEFA or the Media ****s.

How do you silence the media?

The only thing to be done is to stop using none-City media. Come the West Ham game there will still be City fans commenting online in the newspapers match reports. Use City blogs and City social media and don't make money for organisations who use Man City as a way of marketing their product.

 

[Dubai Blue]

No. That's lifted from a muddled BBC report. Go to PL website and look up the Handbook, then tell us which para limits spending. (Btw, forget the short term wage limlits, they have been junked).

Assuming we want to re-enter the Champions League after any ban ends, we'd still have to abide by UEFA's FFP rules.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

How do you silence the media?

The only thing to be done is to stop using none-City media. Come the West Ham game there will still be City fans commenting online in the newspapers match reports. Use City blogs and City social media and don't make money for organisations who use Man City as a way of marketing their product.

Or linking to the guardian.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I’m thinking of going for my half-time pint at 35 minutes instead of 40. That’ll show ‘em.

*shakes head at our illustrious leader* tut, tut, tut @Ric .............. bring your whistle for the jingle instead!! I'll buy you a pint next time I see you to make up for not getting one on THE night!! :-)

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Who hired this Rui Pinto hacker guy in the first place? Maybe he has some ties with top clubs in Europe...
Or was he just lying at home bored and thought he is gonna hack dozens of clubs, other organizations etc?

Really hope Mansour has sent cyber security experts t check any emails of top Uefa people and also Mike Riley. And I hope we found stuff worth to share soon. If not we are fucking naive.

The story about Pinto is not why he hacked documents. He did it for financial gain and made millions till he was caught. The real issue is why out of 70 million documents (one of the biggest hacks ever in data history) a handful of emails at Manchester City is the only story in town for the media. All the other nuggets: The Ronaldo rape allegations; United paying Pogba off books using an image right vehicle; United making huge payments to agents and player family members; Sergio Ramos's failed dope test after the Cl final; and a mountain of allegations about PSG and Monaco have just faded into obscurity.

 

[domalino]

Not according to CAS's own minutes they didn't. More media bollocks.

https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Award_CAS_6298_internet.pdf

Manchester City Football Club Limited, Manchester, United Kingdom
Represented by Mr Paul Harris QC, Barrister, Monckton Chambers, London, United Kingdom, Mr Rhodri Thomas and Ms Natalie Sheehan, Solicitors, Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer LLP, London, United Kingdom, Mr Jean-Cédric Michel and Mr Massimiliano Maestretti, Attorneys-at-Law, Kellerhals Carrard, Lugano, Switzerland

That's five, not eight.

They might have more involved that didn't go to CAS? Or didn't have a big enough role to get named?

A journalist on 5Live just said his paper tried to phone up the big law firms to work on an in-depth story and all of them said they were representing City and couldn't help them.

I think Khaldoon's threat of spending 30m on lawyers rather than paying a penny in fines is coming true.

 

[Marvin]

Or linking to the guardian.

Correct. I use dumptheguardian. (You insert dump prior the to theguardian.com in the URL) and it takes the user to a data dump which does not benefit the Guardian or the writer.

 

[SidJames]

I might be wrong, but isn't evidence gained thru illegal means (i.e. Hacking) unusable in English courts?

It is illegal all over the Western World.

It is why Pinto is sat in a Portuguese Prison cell.

And why Julian Assange sits in a Cell in Belmarsh Prison awaiting extradition to United States and faces being waterboarded by the CIA for an eternity.

For what its worth i think Pinto needs waterboarding to find out who the other conspirators are at Bayern,Der Spegel,and if we at City actually have an enemy within our Club.I have this niggling feeling that someone in our Club is fucking us over.The way we settled with Liverpool hacking for a measly £1,000 000,when the value on dragging their name rightfully through the Mud was priceless.The shit email set up defies belief.

 

[Rmcfc23]

Sky sports news. All sky sports channels and bt sports channels cancelled. I know it doesn't make a difference but will stop me putting my foot through the telly.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Ah, it’s all good fun isn’t it.

 

[@BluePhil8]

If the idea of an alternate to the CL is being poo-poo'd - how about a true international competition?

I think if we could pursuade the right clubs - Dortmund, Atletico, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Lyon, Monaco, Bilbao, Valencia, Spurs etc. and double the prize money on offer from UEFA it would eventually eclipse the CL.

Following on from this idea, so it's not seen as a 'bridesmaid' competition we could also try to rope in the likes of Boca Juniors, River Plate, Corinthians, Independiente, Rangers and Celtic etc.