UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Ric said:
I'm no expert either, but I suspect if it really was as straightforward as that we wouldn't be where we are now.
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I do love (you’re) mediation.

It applies to 99% of the walk of life.

Except when it’s corrupt.

And this is.
 
Coatigan said:
Pretty much planting the seeds, either way the decision at CAS goes, their depiction of us can continue.

The itching to see PL action against us has gone on from the day der speigl ran their rumours. It assumes deliberate falsification, but even if cas were to uphold the ban, it doesnt necessarily mean intentional misleading, just that our interpretation didnt align with uefa's and cas agreed with theirs.

It is so fucking annoying, sometimes, it really is.
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The Athletic article is all about the narrative of getting the Rags into the CL. Nothing more.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Stands to reason, as others have correctly pointed out, Etihad are not at liberty to divulge sensitive financial statements.

However, it just so happens they will do what they are told if the top boss demands it.

There is something 'irrefutable' if we can show Etihad's liability was picked up by anybody other than Sheikh Mansour.
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Which @Prestwich_Blue has found via the Open Skies case in the USA
 
mrbelfry said:
If we can successfully argue that there was no sponsorship inflation does that necessarily follow that the second charge of failing to cooperate is also not valid.. Or could we be cleared of one and found guilty of the other?
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No, the numbers of the sponsorship are not important as there is no charge regarding the values.

It is only about the source of the money, and whether it is the owner.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Not if you already know the result?

At that stage, Cerefin comes more into play.

He has distanced himself from the IC and AC findings so far.

Such an instruction from CAS to mediate would lend itself also to the suggestions the FFP is poised to be overhauled.

I know PB has stated Cerefin offered us a piecemeal arrangement and we told him where to shove it.

I'm not so sure. In actual fact, what if Khaldoon's confidence isn't only rooted in our irrefutable evidence and innocence, but what has been potentially gamed out between ourselves and Cerefin?

Taking this all the way to CAS serves a number of things, including Uefa saying to the usual lobbyists that they took it all the way, but the AC fucked up and City had evidence all along which now calls for radical reform?

M'lud, this concludes my case for the defence.
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I like the positivity but I really can’t see this at all.

Neither side would want huge legal bills and City certainly wouldn’t have wanted to be dragged through the mud for about 18 months to potentially get off on a technicality at worst or a full exoneration at best when, before this, FFP had all but gone away.

Instead, owing to a big spoonful of stupidity we find ourselves in a tough position. We are going to CAS on appeal after being initially found guilty of breaking a set of rules we signed up to, even if those rules aren’t necessarily fair in bringing about sustainability for football clubs. Furthermore, if found in breach of those rules it seems we *could* be subject to huge scrutiny at domestic level owing to irregularities in our accounting practices.

The best analysis I’ve read came from Stefan from the 93:20 pod. To paraphrase (from memory) the UEFA punishment was eventually passed by a high standing, respectable judge that, like any high standing professional, wouldn’t want to have a decision overturned. Despite the media circus and the leaks that surrounded the investigation their eventual position can’t be completely groundless.

I really do hope we can get ourselves out of this mess, largely one of our making. We’re chucking loads of money at doing so by hiring the best we can get. I’m sure we’re confident but I’m also sure UEFA are reasonably confident too because you can bet they’re going to be represented by a quality set of lawyers and they’ve already passed one judgement through a highly qualified judge.

There can be no guarantees with this sort of thing. I feel we just have to hope for the best, rather than expect it.
 
GBrannan said:
I like the positivity but I really can’t see this at all.

Neither side would want huge legal bills and City certainly wouldn’t have wanted to be dragged through the mud for about 18 months to potentially get off on a technicality at worst or a full exoneration at best when, before this, FFP had all but gone away.

Instead, owing to a big spoonful of stupidity we find ourselves in a tough position. We are going to CAS on appeal after being initially found guilty of breaking a set of rules we signed up to, even if those rules aren’t necessarily fair in bringing about sustainability for football clubs. Furthermore, if found in breach of those rules it seems we *could* be subject to huge scrutiny at domestic level owing to irregularities in our accounting practices.

The best analysis I’ve read came from Stefan from the 93:20 pod. To paraphrase (from memory) the UEFA punishment was eventually passed by a high standing, respectable judge that, like any high standing professional, wouldn’t want to have a decision overturned. Despite the media circus and the leaks that surrounded the investigation their eventual position can’t be completely groundless.

I really do hope we can get ourselves out of this mess, largely one of our making. We’re chucking loads of money at doing so by hiring the best we can get. I’m sure we’re confident but I’m also sure UEFA are reasonably confident too because you can bet they’re going to be represented by a quality set of lawyers and they’ve already passed one judgement through a highly qualified judge.

There can be no guarantees with this sort of thing. I feel we just have to hope for the best, rather than expect it.
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Absolute crock of shit
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
They could even tell both parties to pack it in and try again to sort it.
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Unlikely though, as the appeal is about a charge that has been levelled. They would still have to set aside the punishment, at which point the 5 years has expired.

The possible outcomes that CAS can produce seem to me to be:
- uphold the verdict and punishment
- uphold the verdict and re-value the punishment
- overturn thr verdict.
 
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