UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[manchester blue]

Could we get off with the FFP breach but get a suspended bad for the failing to co-operate?

Failing to cooperate with what? We fully cooperated with the UEFA inquiry if that’s what you mean.

 

[flook]

I think it's incredibly naive to think the club would not accept a suspended ban if offered.

The financial and player ramifications of the current 2 year ban are so severe that I'm sure the club would take it. It's offering a 6 months probation to someone facing 10 years in prison, you're an idiot not to take it even if you're innocent.

fair point, however I know someone actually in that position, though not for murder I must add. Pleaded guilty to to a lesser charge about 20 years ago to avoid trial for a more serious one, maintains his innocence to this day, but there is always a doubt

 

[KS55]

Yep, we’d snap their hands off I imagine. Think something may have been lost in translation though, as I can’t really envisage a scenario whereby the sentence was suspended.

Yes. Too much attention paid to the words rather than the meaning.

 

[blueyorkie]

A suspended ban is still an indictment and does not achieve what we are aiming to achieve in drawing a line under all of this, if we are truly innocent I would expect this to be taken further

I suspect that’s an incorrect translation,

Suspended ban translates to guilt. We need to be exonerated otherwise we will still have the cheat tag aimed.

Think this is being lost in translation, suspension in Spanish translates to exclusion, which by my thinking means the punishment being excluded ie overturned

 

[blueyorkie]

I wouldn't jump to take that translation for granted. I like the tone of it, but the suspension thing could be totally lost in translation, particularly if it is an even remotely legal term. Suspension, dismissal, ejection, etc etc, similar words, different outcomes.

He probably wouldn't know the likelyhood of any possible result, but he might well be tapping into a prevalent mood, which is very positive, and not something that has gone unnoticed, by a few on here.

I'm still cautious and not quite ready to be positive, but i absolutely welcome seeing some optimism.

Correct exclusion!

 

[manchester blue]

I suspect that’s an incorrect translation,


Think this is being lost in translation, suspension in Spanish translates to exclusion, which by my thinking means the punishment being excluded ie overturned

Ah, that make more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[KS55]

Suspect only three people know the answer to that right now.

Could be two, with third dithering. If the two are split...........!

 

[Stoned Rose]

I think it's incredibly naive to think the club would not accept a suspended ban if offered.

The financial and player ramifications of the current 2 year ban are so severe that I'm sure the club would take it. It's offering a 6 months probation to someone facing 10 years in prison, you're an idiot not to take it even if you're innocent.

Leaving us in limbo with more time on the naughty step looming over us would be a lot more naive.

City wont be accepting any suspended ban.

 

[slbsn]

Wasn't the breech huge because we were stopped from using the original pre 2010 contract guidelines due to the 2013 changes

Would part of our defence be the simple act of showing the two sets of guidelines together, highlighting the differences and saying we only failed because Uefa decided that we must fail?

In short no it won't. We breached by a mile in 2014 in UEFA's view. That's done and dusted.

 

[SilverFox2]

Translation: “Manchester City is calm about its possible sanction and has thus transmitted it to its staff. They consider the view with UEFA very positive and even contemplate a suspension / postponement of it. If so, the club will shake the market with several important signings.”

Tranquilo(a) my favourite Spanish word.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

That’s the worst song I’ve ever heard.

Your not meant to be adding it your playlist tbf!:)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

That’s the worst song I’ve ever heard.

Teen Wolf classic!

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

In short no it won't. We breached by a mile in 2014 in UEFA's view. That's done and dusted.

Was mainly a late night thought, but if Uefa want to go back 7 years, surely City can too even if just part of a 'you've messed us about in the past, but we're the ones not co operating....'

 

[nmc]

If the rags secure 4th we'll probably get a more lenient deal, 5th and we're a goner !

With those 2 penalty awards that Moss made the other night it’s clear that the PL and FA are not taking chances. United will be top 4. Is that 12 penalties awarded in 30 games so far? Putting them top of the stats - of course they’ve conceded just one - again putting them top of the stats. Ffs.

 

[Trojan1962]

With those 2 penalty awards that Moss made the other night it’s clear that the PL and FA are not taking chances. United will be top 4. Is that 12 penalties awarded in 30 games so far? Putting them top of the stats - of course they’ve conceded just one - again putting them top of the stats. Ffs.

This is the reason why I and a lot of supporters will stop watching the game particularly if the ban is upheld against us. It is so obvious the level of cheating to get the global brands into CL places.

 

[chaddblue]

With those 2 penalty awards that Moss made the other night it’s clear that the PL and FA are not taking chances. United will be top 4. Is that 12 penalties awarded in 30 games so far? Putting them top of the stats - of course they’ve conceded just one - again putting them top of the stats. Ffs.

How can that shite defence, including big daft clumsy fuckers like Maguire and Jones, only have conceded 1 penalty all season!?…. Staggering

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

With those 2 penalty awards that Moss made the other night it’s clear that the PL and FA are not taking chances. United will be top 4. Is that 12 penalties awarded in 30 games so far? Putting them top of the stats - of course they’ve conceded just one - again putting them top of the stats. Ffs.

yeah, that was the most re-assuring thing, if Gill knew we still had our ban Moss wouldn't have been that desperate. It's 12 pens this season added to the 11 last season I believe, so 23 in the league and 31 in all comps in the past 2 seasons I think. I posted them up on Friday.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Depends what the reasons for the suspended ban are maybe. If it's classed as "not proven" or even down to the differing accountancy ideas that have been raised here, it gives UEFA some facesaving, that's not the end of the world.

Also, for City to breach again would be so idiotic, the suspension is probably not going to come into force.

I agree. The reasoning behind the decision and how that is explained to the public is crucial. UEFA do need a get out. It's clear that FFP will have to be dramatically changed moving forward so it is unlikely they will pursue this matter any futher. It may be in our long-term interest to throw Ceferin a bone.
But it also vital that City get the opportunity to show their "irrefutable proof" in public so there has to leeway for a strong public statement to be made by the club. City fans cant be kept in the dark. It's not as good as total defeat for UEFA but we may have to live with it.

 

[slbsn]

What the Panel simply won't be saying...

"The Panel finds that the [MCFC] did mislead and conceal critical information in FFP submissions to UEFA between 2012 and 2017 in breach of multiple Articles of the Rules of the CFCB over many years. The Panel finds that Manchester City had no grounds to insinuate that the Investigatory and Adjudicatory Chambers were acting in bad faith. Although this is the second breach of the FFP rules and notwithstanding the concealment and falsified submissions to UEFA over many years, the Panel has decided that the sanctions decided by the Adjudicatory Chamber were disproportionate and that Manchester City should be given a further chance (a third chance) by the imposition of a suspended sentence of a 1 year ban from European competition that it would otherwise be eligible for."

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

As others have said, the fixation on the word 'suspended' has derailed the thread somewhat, when all we're talking about is the meaning of the original Spanish message being lost in translation.

As PR says above - we won't be getting a suspended sentence if the panel find us guilty of the breaches we're accused of. And even if we did, I doubt the club would be happy to accept it as final, given this still carries the implication of guilt.