They haven't been exonerated. Jeez. The French Interior apologised for having had to use Teargas and Pepper sprays, but it was BECAUSE of the fake ticket fans and unticketed fans causing issues, and they didn't want to let the dangerous situation escalate further. They also said they'd do the same thing again. ie the blame is still on the fake and ticketless fans. The only way it's an "apology" is in the eyes of the UK media taking the word 'sorry' and running with it, ignoring the rest of the french guys speech.
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They haven't been exonerated at all. All the police have apologised for is using tear gas. This is the quote from Paris police chief Didier LallementGot asked to apologise by a couple of Liverpool fans today for my comments about fake tickets being a part of the problem, i do acknowledge that poor organisation & over zealous policing were also to blame.
Their reply to me of "we have been completely exonerated by the police apology" isn't completely true though is it ?
Or am i being massively thick here ?
Speaking at the French Senate on Thursday, he said was sorry for authorising the use of tear gas but felt he had no other option under the circumstances.
Lallement said: "It is obviously a failure. It was a failure because people were pushed around and attacked. It was a failure because the image of the country was undermined."
It isn't really an apology although the thick wall pushers think it is!
Uncle Wally One Ball
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It isn't true at allGot asked to apologise by a couple of Liverpool fans today for my comments about fake tickets being a part of the problem, i do acknowledge that poor organisation & over zealous policing were also to blame.
Their reply to me of "we have been completely exonerated by the police apology" isn't completely true though is it ?
Or am i being massively thick here ?
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Fook me, not only is this sham excuse been a permanent fixture on the BBC website since it happened, it’s now back among the headline items on the BBC TV news. Apparently the e tickets didn’t work because of poor internet access?? Make it up as you go along now…
BTH
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A Liverpool fan from what looks like a fan-cam has just been shown on the main evening news programme saying that there were fake tickets, but that's normal and it shouldn't have held the kick-off up!
I'm puzzled as to how and why this 'fake tickets are normal' narrative has been allowed to gain traction to the point where the BBC are using opinion as fact and without question.
I've never seen or heard of fake tickets in donkeys years at a City match but hey-ho, the public are being misled here that it is the norm when it most definitely isn't!
I'm puzzled as to how and why this 'fake tickets are normal' narrative has been allowed to gain traction to the point where the BBC are using opinion as fact and without question.
I've never seen or heard of fake tickets in donkeys years at a City match but hey-ho, the public are being misled here that it is the norm when it most definitely isn't!
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If using fake tickets and jibbing in are 'normal' that's all the more reason to make them highly illegal, and such practices are pregnant with danger and (as in this case) a cause of crowd chaos and disorder.
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It is normal for the vermin...If using fake tickets and jibbing in are 'normal' that's all the more reason to make them highly illegal, and such practices are pregnant with danger and (as in this case) a cause of crowd chaos and disorder.
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The alternative is to halve the legitimate allocation in order to allow for 'normal' cheats and criminals. If I were City, I'd investigate doing that for teams with a bad track record.
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French official report out now. Blames three main factors - inadequate preparation for the sheer number of fans, security failures at the stadium, and, shocker, huge numbers of members of the public trying to gain access without tickets or with fake tickets. Note they're careful not to say Liverpool fans.
You could say number three the fake tickets, contributed directly to number two, the security failures at the stadium.
Liverpool FC are preparing an apology right now. It'll follow the imminent breaking news on the moon actually being made of cheese.
A real investigation would now take hold and say ok, so where did these fakes come from, who is responsible, why did they look good enough to allow some entry...
The police were inadequately prepared to deal with those numbers, no doubt, and the gas was all they had. Whether it was correct or not is another matter which had to weigh up the possible other outcomes, but football fans have a right to not to be expected to be treated like that.
But, and this is key, does that ever become an issue if it isn't for the excess people trying to access the stadium illegally? Do the fans gassed realise why the police thought that was their best option? Regardless of whether it is right or wrong, if there are not others trying to access the ground illegally then they and their kids are safer.
Were Madrid fans or members of the public trying to access the ground illegally in the Madrid end? No, not that I have heard. So the issue is the Liverpool end. Why? I mean, we all can hazard an educated guess, but this is where any report worth its salt gets stuck in.
Insisting on paper tickets, going for the occasion and trying your hand to get entry in the commotion, furloughing staff despite turning a multi million profit, bricking busses to gain any advantage possible, settling hacking cases outside of court. We see you. We remember. Not English, Scouse. Yet we all get tarnished with the same brush. Stand up and own your shame.
The robberies etc in Saint Denis is almost a separate topic, very valid and likely to happen regardless of who came to town. I don't doubt for a second that innocents were caught up in all this, but they need to realize that when you run with a crowd what are always 'up for a laugh' then it works the other way too. Just a few thousand fakes, not tens of thousands. Oh, ok then. Mostly angels then.
You could say number three the fake tickets, contributed directly to number two, the security failures at the stadium.
Liverpool FC are preparing an apology right now. It'll follow the imminent breaking news on the moon actually being made of cheese.
A real investigation would now take hold and say ok, so where did these fakes come from, who is responsible, why did they look good enough to allow some entry...
The police were inadequately prepared to deal with those numbers, no doubt, and the gas was all they had. Whether it was correct or not is another matter which had to weigh up the possible other outcomes, but football fans have a right to not to be expected to be treated like that.
But, and this is key, does that ever become an issue if it isn't for the excess people trying to access the stadium illegally? Do the fans gassed realise why the police thought that was their best option? Regardless of whether it is right or wrong, if there are not others trying to access the ground illegally then they and their kids are safer.
Were Madrid fans or members of the public trying to access the ground illegally in the Madrid end? No, not that I have heard. So the issue is the Liverpool end. Why? I mean, we all can hazard an educated guess, but this is where any report worth its salt gets stuck in.
Insisting on paper tickets, going for the occasion and trying your hand to get entry in the commotion, furloughing staff despite turning a multi million profit, bricking busses to gain any advantage possible, settling hacking cases outside of court. We see you. We remember. Not English, Scouse. Yet we all get tarnished with the same brush. Stand up and own your shame.
The robberies etc in Saint Denis is almost a separate topic, very valid and likely to happen regardless of who came to town. I don't doubt for a second that innocents were caught up in all this, but they need to realize that when you run with a crowd what are always 'up for a laugh' then it works the other way too. Just a few thousand fakes, not tens of thousands. Oh, ok then. Mostly angels then.