Ufo's, for those that are INTERESTED.

Skashion said:
Cheesy said:
Cos the universe is just so damn big!
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So your argument is that intelligent life is rare and too far dispersed for physical contact? So what of electromagnetic communication?
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I am going to resurrect this thread. My necromancer abilities are decreasing so i need to practice.

Electromagnetic communication? To understand why we might not see ET communication signals, we need an understanding of how we actually do "electromagnetic communication".
Every different intelligent civilization will have a different method for sending electromagnetic signals to communicate. Think of it as different languages. Just like we do here on earth. There are a lot of methods to send a wireless communication. Every method is an electromagnetic wave, but this wave needs to be manipulated to hold the information. This is where the "fun" begins. On earth we have a wide range of methods. Any alien can pick up the "run away" signals (they cover a circle with 70 light years radius), but can they actually see they are made from another intelligent civilization? Who's to say we haven't already picked up someone else interstellar message, but due to noise and other factors, we can't see an intelligent pattern to that message.

I leave you with a half arsed response, and some images you might or might not understand.
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Can you tell that the signal in green holds the exact same information as the signal in blue?
This is an easy and very human method of communication, but would an alien understand that this signal comes from another intelligent civilization? Now add about 50 years or quite a lot more (26,400 years to reach the center of the galaxy) of this message flying across space, picking up a lot of noise, and you probably couldn't pick up any intelligent pattern. Leaving another galactic radio noise.



Oh i just thought of something else. Nothing to do with EM waves but still for the Farmi paradox.
According to the paradox, half the world should not have existed. Think of it like this, Rome, one of the most early advanced civilizations had no idea of China ( i may be very wrong here) and China had not knowledge of Rome's existence. So according to the paradox, both of them existing and not being to communicate with each other is very very unlikely. And yet it happens on the same planet, who is smaller than electron compared to the entire universe. I probably do not really understand that paradox, so can you explain to me, once more?
 
Was watching channel 200 contreversial tv i think its called.
Had a program on called rich planet and they were talking about the disclosure project which a group of whistelblowers from various professions publicly came out and confirmed that ufo/ aliens do exist etc

They mentioned also about an alien base at the far side of the moon (which we from earth never see, how convienient!), and that NASA airbrush away any alien craft or anything suspect from their pictures before making them public.

Also mentioned that before Carter became president and he was governer he applied to the head of the cia (which was Bush senior at the time), for all the files and he was refused access.
Also the Vatican apparently hold many files on ufo's.
And Bill Clinton wanted to either access all files or go public with info on ufo's (cant quite remember), just before the Monika Lewinsky skandal!

Interesting programme well at least its something different then all this im a celeb shite and crap factor etc etc

The truth is out there ;)
 
BulgarianPride said:
Skashion said:
So your argument is that intelligent life is rare and too far dispersed for physical contact? So what of electromagnetic communication?
Click to expand...

I am going to resurrect this thread. My necromancer abilities are decreasing so i need to practice.

Electromagnetic communication? To understand why we might not see ET communication signals, we need an understanding of how we actually do "electromagnetic communication".
Every different intelligent civilization will have a different method for sending electromagnetic signals to communicate. Think of it as different languages. Just like we do here on earth. There are a lot of methods to send a wireless communication. Every method is an electromagnetic wave, but this wave needs to be manipulated to hold the information. This is where the "fun" begins. On earth we have a wide range of methods. Any alien can pick up the "run away" signals (they cover a circle with 70 light years radius), but can they actually see they are made from another intelligent civilization? Who's to say we haven't already picked up someone else interstellar message, but due to noise and other factors, we can't see an intelligent pattern to that message.

I leave you with a half arsed response, and some images you might or might not understand.
600px-FM_Message_and_Modulated_Signals.svg.png

Can you tell that the signal in green holds the exact same information as the signal in blue?
This is an easy and very human method of communication, but would an alien understand that this signal comes from another intelligent civilization? Now add about 50 years or quite a lot more (26,400 years to reach the center of the galaxy) of this message flying across space, picking up a lot of noise, and you probably couldn't pick up any intelligent pattern. Leaving another galactic radio noise.



Oh i just thought of something else. Nothing to do with EM waves but still for the Farmi paradox.
According to the paradox, half the world should not have existed. Think of it like this, Rome, one of the most early advanced civilizations had no idea of China ( i may be very wrong here) and China had not knowledge of Rome's existence. So according to the paradox, both of them existing and not being to communicate with each other is very very unlikely. And yet it happens on the same planet, who is smaller than electron compared to the entire universe. I probably do not really understand that paradox, so can you explain to me, once more?
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Rome and China absolutely did know about each other. And all the other less well know empires in between. It's just that the great distances meant they were effectively talked about in legendary/mythical terms There is also evidence that there was communication between Egypt and South America.

Plus none of these civilisations would've (to the best of our knowledge) been sending EM waves into space, so anyone looking towards the Earth wouldn't have found anything beyond the normal sound of a rocky planet with an iron core that's covered in water... So in turn we're only looking for or rather are going to hear life capable of generating the energy required to produce EM noise. I would've thought that the generating/storage/transmission sources are those that will be stronger, steadier signals that have a chance of being heard above the noise of say, the latest episode of Corrie. I don't know but I'd guess we're just looking for the faintest pattern rather than any actual communication signal.

But that's where the clever bit is... In the deciphering. I don't think we're suddenly going to hear a Star Trek style message from the Clingons. Rather we'll suddenly interpret existing data differently using new techniques/mathematics.

All the above is just my opinion/view... based on moderate knowledge and research.

;-)
 
Was watching a programme on this not too long ago which gave a completely different view of "UFOs".

Their story was that UFOs are not actually from other planets. They are from here on earth... but they are not man made.
They were saying that UFOs have been seen going in and out of the sea almost as much as they have been seen in the sky.

They were talking about a few years back when the australians(i think it was) detected something in the sea, A few navy ships followed it thinking it was a submarine until it went to a deapth that no man made vehicle has been to. They then saw it move up to a speed faster than anything on earth. They followed it until it stopped and called for more ships.
The crew from 3 naval ships saw some sort of long cigar shaped craft surface and 3 things which looked like UFOs came out of it and up into the sky. The ships started shooting at this cigar shaped thing but had no effect on it, It went back down into the sea and they lost it.

This programme was claiming that UFOs are from a civilisation under the sea which most likely settled there from another planet.
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It was also talking about how they are 99% sure there is life on saturn. It has sun light, land, water and heat. Anywhere on earth which has these elements also has some sort of life. They said its most probably fish life.


Not sure about it all, they had quite a few "experts" commenting on both.
 
20sbc07 said:
Was watching a programme on this not too long ago which gave a completely different view of "UFOs".

Their story was that UFOs are not actually from other planets. They are from here on earth... but they are not man made.
They were saying that UFOs have been seen going in and out of the sea almost as much as they have been seen in the sky.

They were talking about a few years back when the australians(i think it was) detected something in the sea, A few navy ships followed it thinking it was a submarine until it went to a deapth that no man made vehicle has been to. They then saw it move up to a speed faster than anything on earth. They followed it until it stopped and called for more ships.
The crew from 3 naval ships saw some sort of long cigar shaped craft surface and 3 things which looked like UFOs came out of it and up into the sky. The ships started shooting at this cigar shaped thing but had no effect on it, It went back down into the sea and they lost it.

This programme was claiming that UFOs are from a civilisation under the sea which most likely settled there from another planet.
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It was also talking about how they are 99% sure there is life on saturn. It has sun light, land, water and heat. Anywhere on earth which has these elements also has some sort of life. They said its most probably fish life.


Not sure about it all, they had quite a few "experts" commenting on both.
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USO.


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Damn you pesky kids :)

On a more terrestrial level, buzzer mate, did you see this thread I posted, think it might interest you..
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