Ufo's, for those that are INTERESTED.

[1.618034]

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Anyway, on the "UFO" theme, I've just been sent this...


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8bptMpkkjc[/youtube]



I've got my own theories but none of them involve "Aliens".

-)

Go on then....[/quote]

Well... since I did post it and you have asked...

To me, it looks like something that's near the lens as opposed to in the distance. The fact that the camera's struggling to focus on it suggests that it isn't towards the infinity setting on the zoom... You don't get that much difference at longer distances (beyond a few hundred meters), in my experience. At one point there's a flock of birds that suddenly disappear from focus. If the object was beyond them, which if it's an "Alien Craft" I assume you'd think it would be, then the re-focus from them to it wouldn't be so stark. I stand to be corrected on this from someone with better knowledge of lenses and optics but I think I'm on the right track... Also when it's against the clouds it isn't behind them, and actually when the clouds are in focus, it isn't. So it can't be that far away, and he said he was on a bus so it could even be something reflected in the window. This would also explain the fact that it's moving wildly in the view,

So if it's near the lens then what could it be..?

Well, the way that the "object" was spinning and wobbling it seemed like it and the other blobs were on some kind of thread... My guess is it's a piece of cotton or a spider's web hanging from the poles that are in front of the building he's looking over... Or on the window of the bus... The fact that it's in orange light could either be the position of the setting sun or even light from the lamp posts if that's what they are... or from the bus..? But the point where it starts to stretch out definitely looks like it's on the outside of the bus being spun by the breeze caused by the bus's movement...

I'm quite into optical illusions and this has all the hallmarks of being something small and near rather than something large and far away.

Like I say this is my theory but I think it's far more probable than it being some kind of "UFO"... I could be wrong though. It has been known.

;-)

 

[Damocles]

That's the most obvious example of a plane letting off cluster/tracking flares that I have ever seen.

Seriously, that's textbook "plane letting off flares" imagery.

4:39 shows the direction of the plane, moving from right to left. In fact, you can probably see the trails left behind if you could go through frame by frame.

The later one is a visual illusion, and shows the maker for exactly what he is. He is purposely trying to fake the footage. The flares aren't moving that rapidly, he is moving the camera around - look at the distances between the flares, they never change and the colour of the sky in the back does. He's just moving the camera.

Obviously, the flares to move a little, but most of the visual movement is coming from the camera operator.

 

[1.618034]

That's the most obvious example of a plane letting off tracking flares that I have ever seen.

Seriously, that's textbook "plane letting off flares" imagery.

Got any examples...?

 

[Damocles]

That's the most obvious example of a plane letting off tracking flares that I have ever seen.

Seriously, that's textbook "plane letting off flares" imagery.

Got any examples...?

Read the rest of my edited post.

Also, it is not my job to educate you, you should have done the same Google search that I did. I don't need to prove that planes let off flares as it is the accepted opinion, people need to prove that alien ships were there.

Not having a pop at you personally, it's just one of those things that annoy me about the UFO movement.

Anyway, this is a shot that is much closer and using shorter lifed flares, but you get the general idea:

<a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8755122657857156581#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 857156581#</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7614713510312405189#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 312405189#</a>

 

[1.618034]

Got any examples...?

Read the rest of my edited post.

Also, it is not my job to educate you, you should have done the same Google search that I did. I don't need to prove that planes let off flares as it is the accepted opinion, people need to prove that alien ships were there.

Not having a pop at you personally, it's just one of those things that annoy me about the UFO movement.

Anyway, this is a shot that is much closer and using shorter lifed flares, but you get the general idea:

<a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8755122657857156581#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 857156581#</a>

Thanks. No need for the lecture mate. I know how to use google, and my brain, thanks. Just thought since you said it was "classic" then you might be able to put your finger on a decent example... Which you did.

Plus I'm not part of the "UFO movement". Far from it.

;-)

 

[BulgarianPride]

Got any examples...?

Read the rest of my edited post.

Also, it is not my job to educate you, you should have done the same Google search that I did. I don't need to prove that planes let off flares as it is the accepted opinion, people need to prove that alien ships were there.

Not having a pop at you personally, it's just one of those things that annoy me about the UFO movement.

Anyway, this is a shot that is much closer and using shorter lifed flares, but you get the general idea:

<span><a class="smarterwiki-linkify" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8755122657857156581#">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8755122657857156581#</a></span>

<span><a class="smarterwiki-linkify" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7614713510312405189#">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7614713510312405189#</a></span>

Must be the first dancing flairs. Look at 4:55-5:00 at the video (golden ratio's video). If the video is indeed legit, i just can't see it being flairs. In case you don't see what i see, the four little ones are moving towards the big one, how can this movement be caused by an illusion of the shacking of the camera? You can clearly see one of them circling the big one, and then they all move a way from it.

Damo, 1.618... , ( i know you guys might not interested, but still give it a read) and anyone who is interested should give the COMETA report a read. Closest thing to a scientific study on UFO i've seen. It's been translated from French to English

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/4338/COMETA-report-part1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.scribd.com/doc/4338/COMETA-report-part1</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/4337/COMETA-report-part2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.scribd.com/doc/4337/COMETA-report-part2</a>

or you can download it from here.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/cometa.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/cometa.htm</a>

here is a summery of part 1 of the report:

Part I: "Facts and Testimonies"

Many of the cases selected are well known by most researchers, and need only be mentioned here. They are: Testimonies of French pilots:

M. Giraud, pilot of Mirage IV (1977)
Colonel Bosc, fighter pilot (1976)
Air France flight AF 3532 (Jan 1994)
Aeronautical cases worldwide.

Lakenheath (U.K., 1956)
RB-47 (U.S., 1957)
Teheran (1976)
Russia (1990)
San Carlos de Bariloche (Argentina, 1995)
Observations from the ground:

Tanarive (1954)Observation of a saucer near the ground by a French pilot, J.-P. Fartek (1979)
Observation at close range over a Russian missile site by several witnesses (1989)
Close encounters in France:

Valensole (Maurice Masse, 1965)
Cussac, Cantal (1967)
Trans-en-Provence (1981)
Nancy (the "Amaranth" case, 1982)
Counter-examples of explained phenomena (two cases).
Although the selection is limited, it seems to be sufficient to convince an uninformed but open-minded reader of the reality of UFOs.

for a longer summery
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.cufos.org/cometa.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cufos.org/cometa.html</a>

 

[buzzer1]

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Anyway, on the "UFO" theme, I've just been sent this...


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8bptMpkkjc[/youtube]



I've got my own theories but none of them involve "Aliens".

-)

Go on then....

Well... since I did post it and you have asked...

To me, it looks like something that's near the lens as opposed to in the distance. The fact that the camera's struggling to focus on it suggests that it isn't towards the infinity setting on the zoom... You don't get that much difference at longer distances (beyond a few hundred meters), in my experience. At one point there's a flock of birds that suddenly disappear from focus. If the object was beyond them, which if it's an "Alien Craft" I assume you'd think it would be, then the re-focus from them to it wouldn't be so stark. I stand to be corrected on this from someone with better knowledge of lenses and optics but I think I'm on the right track... Also when it's against the clouds it isn't behind them, and actually when the clouds are in focus, it isn't. So it can't be that far away, and he said he was on a bus so it could even be something reflected in the window. This would also explain the fact that it's moving wildly in the view,

So if it's near the lens then what could it be..?

Well, the way that the "object" was spinning and wobbling it seemed like it and the other blobs were on some kind of thread... My guess is it's a piece of cotton or a spider's web hanging from the poles that are in front of the building he's looking over... Or on the window of the bus... The fact that it's in orange light could either be the position of the setting sun or even light from the lamp posts if that's what they are... or from the bus..? But the point where it starts to stretch out definitely looks like it's on the outside of the bus being spun by the breeze caused by the bus's movement...

I'm quite into optical illusions and this has all the hallmarks of being something small and near rather than something large and far away.

Like I say this is my theory but I think it's far more probable than it being some kind of "UFO"... I could be wrong though. It has been known.

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At first mate i thought about your Spidres Web theory and thought yes, this is a good theory, it may work, but if this is correct then the Web must be moving alongside the bus, also the guy seems to be adamant that the bigger Disc was spewing out smaller discs.
Dammo may be correct with the Plane theory but again, the guy mentions no Aeroplane activity in the sky, one of the theories of course is, it just maybe a UFO(s).

 

[BulgarianPride]

At first mate i thought about your Spidres Web theory and thought yes, this is a good theory, it may work, but if this is correct then the Web must be moving alongside the bus, also the guy seems to be adamant that the bigger Disc was spewing out smaller discs.
Dammo may be correct with the Plane theory but again, the guy mentions no Aeroplane activity in the sky, one of the theories of course is, it just maybe a UFO(s).

At 1:45 the thing first appears into the distance behind the plane. It was in the planes path, so if this thing was on the window, or near the camera, we would of seen in front of the plane. Not to mention he is outside the bus later on, that shows it as well. As far i can tell, if this video is legit then this is a UFO.

Damo's theory does not stand. The guy can't be causing that movement of the spheres by just shacking the camera or any other non computer effects. Just look at it 5 mins in, by that time he is outside if he wasn't outside the whole time. I haven't seen anything move like that.

Which makes be believe this is either graphics generated or real UFO. I of course can be wrong, so if anyone sees something i don't , please point it out.

 

[1.618034]

If it came from the plane maybe it was something that had been hit or ejected by it...? That would explain the spinning... Did someone press the flush button?

But the thing about these things is the question of how far away it was and therefore how big it is. Depth perception is notoriously difficult esp with a single lensed camera. If it was way beyond the plane, which was about 500m I'd say, then how far away? Therefore how big? If it was say another mile or so then that would mean it was probably about as big as the plane, if not bigger... So how come no one else saw it?

I still say something close up because of the way the camera is focussing and the fact that the object is never actually ever in focus even though the plane and clouds were.

As for the spider's web theory... It was moving along with the bus because it may have been attached to it. Spiders love vehicles... Full of dead flies. I've had one living in my door mirror for months!

For the record, I don't buy the flares theory. Just doesn't look like any of the ones I've see on Google, which all seem to come from military planes anyway, and the one in the vid was a commercial jet... Sorry Dam.

;-)<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:15 pm --<br /><br />

At first mate i thought about your Spidres Web theory and thought yes, this is a good theory, it may work, but if this is correct then the Web must be moving alongside the bus, also the guy seems to be adamant that the bigger Disc was spewing out smaller discs.
Dammo may be correct with the Plane theory but again, the guy mentions no Aeroplane activity in the sky, one of the theories of course is, it just maybe a UFO(s).

At 1:45 the thing first appears into the distance behind the plane. It was in the planes path, so if this thing was on the window, or near the camera, we would of seen in front of the plane. Not to mention he is outside the bus later on, that shows it as well. As far i can tell, if this video is legit then this is a UFO.

Damo's theory does not stand. The guy can't be causing that movement of the spheres by just shacking the camera or any other non computer effects. Just look at it 5 mins in, by that time he is outside if he wasn't outside the whole time. I haven't seen anything move like that.

Which makes be believe this is either graphics generated or real UFO. I of course can be wrong, so if anyone sees something i don't , please point it out.

Can I ask what you mean by a "real UFO"...?


Just watched it again... How about balloons that are all tied together...?

 

[BulgarianPride]

If it came from the plane maybe it was something that had been hit or ejected by it...? That would explain the spinning... Did someone press the flush button?

But the thing about these things is the question of how far away it was and therefore how big it is. Depth perception is notoriously difficult esp with a single lensed camera. If it was way beyond the plane, which was about 500m I'd say, then how far away? Therefore how big? If it was say another mile or so then that would mean it was probably about as big as the plane, if not bigger... So how come no one else saw it?

I still say something close up because of the way the camera is focussing and the fact that the object is never actually ever in focus even though the plane and clouds were.

As for the spider's web theory... It was moving along with the bus because it may have been attached to it. Spiders love vehicles... Full of dead flies. I've had one living in my door mirror for months!

For the record, I don't buy the flares theory. Just doesn't look like any of the ones I've see on Google, which all seem to come from military planes anyway, and the one in the vid was a commercial jet... Sorry Dam.

;-)

The thing did not come from the airplane. At least i don't think it did. Doesn't look like it to me. It wasn't falling or anything, a spy plane that detached from a commerciall plane?

Another angle by another person. The colours are different but the movement matches the movement in the first video.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsp7P7SJGGY&feature=related[/youtube]

-- Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:17 pm --

Can I ask what you mean by a "real UFO"...?


Just watched it again... How about balloons that are all tied together...?

Something that is truly unexplained.
I don't know. A balloon ejecting other balloons that fly parallel to the ground for quite some time?