UK far right trouble July/August 24

[BlueHammer85]

Fat fucking nonce.

bot accounts outraged by police on him.

 

[Boo or Boo-urns]

Coming to Cheadle, tomorrow.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Coming to Cheadle, tomorrow.

Cheadle, Cheadle Heath or Cheadle Hulme? (3) Re direct them to Adswood. No one will notice.

 

[VOOMER]

Multiculturalism is our strength but that is about culture and people, the real and only danger is religion. Religion by its very nature often attempts to impose laws and regulations attached to that religion but we can't ever accept that.

Look at all the benefits of freedom of expression and equality that has come from the rejection of Christianity. We shouldn't lose those benefits by the appeasement of any religion that is against those things.

Yep all those followers of Jesus Christ turning the othe cheek and as he did dying at the hands of others who's souls they prayed for. Terrible human beings.
It's the human factor that has used religion to control others by controlling the narrative.

 

[blue for life]

Coming to Cheadle, tomorrow.

Seems a weird place for those cunts to riot?

 

[Blackley_Blue]

Just had a security briefing at work. Expecting trouble in the Salford area at 1pm and in Oldham this evening.

Strong rumours of trouble in Glodwick yesterday (to the point where they sent the staff of the NHS building we manage home) didn't materialise.

 

[inbetween]

It also brings people together, supports those in need, and most moderately religious people (which is the vast majority) are very tolerant, and tend to have similar beliefs.

There are obviously complexities around anything that creates differences between people, but I wouldn't say the dominant culture of any religion in this country is hate or violence. I'm an atheist, but have worked with a lot of religious organisations in the voluntary sector, and I'd argue that religious communities are more likely to be a force for good.

Hate and discrimination unfortunately comes with the nature of any religion. For example, women are treated as 2nd class citizens within Islam, that's just the way it is but we can't accept tolerance of that here. Christianity was no different and it's still no different because the teachings haven't changed. It just so happens that Christianity has largely been marginalised and made irrelevant in the UK.

It doesn't change the fact though that our attitudes were once shaped by Christianity because it for example taught that homosexuality is a sin so subsequently it was illegal and people saw it negatively. Attitudes now have come to be shaped by the rejection of Christianity and those values so today we don't persecute or put people in prison for it.

Muslims won't be any different, their attitudes will be shaped by their religious beliefs. In countries where Islam is enforced by law homosexuality is illegal and you can be executed for it. In some countries women have to submit to their husband and they aren't allowed to drive. We shouldn't be surprised then that Muslims probably view gay people negatively and that cannot be accepted as part of cultural or religious tolerance.

Obviously the law won't change but we have to caution that these attitudes aren't transferred here because it would be naive to say that it wouldn't. If nothing was done then it would lead to discrimination against certain groups. To say otherwise I think misses the point that discrimination is often invisible unless you're being discriminated against.

 

[Vialli98]

Given the huge numbers of Chinese immigrants in Manchester, I wonder why they don’t evoke anything like the same visceral hatred we see towards the Pakistani / Muslim population.

The same is true for the Indian, Hindu, East European and Jewish communities that all seem to have integrated relatively peacefully (granted there have been the odd occasion where tensions have arisen).

It seems a particularly Islamist/ Pakistani problem.

You realise Pakistanis are far from the only Muslims in the UK, right? Nigerians, Somalis, Bengalis, Turks, various different middle eastern countries all have communities in most big UK cities.

 

[mackenzie]

Just had a security briefing at work. Expecting trouble in the Salford area at 1pm and in Oldham this evening.

Strong rumours of trouble in Glodwick yesterday (to the point where they sent the staff of the NHS building we manage home) didn't materialise.

Oldham? Oh bloody wonderful :-(

 

[Stoned Rose]

Sport is a big part of the answer imo. Sport, art, music, dance, education, mental and physical health services, etc are needed to get young people to express themselves as they wish, to be healthy and to become obsessed with something positive in society. But it'd take generations of investment to change the English culture.

Maybe I'm plain wrong but Britain looks like it has just accepted that the "lower class" are groups of violent thugs to be kept apart. You see this in the football culture. Behaviour in and around grounds should not be acceptable. If proper investment was put into kids then maybe a sign of a change in Britain could be games with significantly less policing and segregation.

Both sides could have a dance off.