UK far right trouble

BobKowalski said:
And cleared. That is how the rule of law works. Police trying to suppress the violence incited by your chums on the far right, arrest people for committing the acts or inciting the acts. The courts then weigh up the evidence and judge accordingly.

You seem unaware that it is an offence to incite violence and civil unrest and that the State tends to be sniffy about this sort of thing. Can I suggest next time something happens you and your far right chums get your facts straight first and save us all a lot of unnecessary bother?
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No the rule of law works when you're arrested and tried for actual crimes, not when you're arrested for non-crimes or made a scapegoat for other people's crimes.

The police and CPS tried to criminalise speculation (this had nothing to do with incitement to violence), which should be legal in any country that values freedom of expression.

Thankfully the jury acquitted the defendant but it doesn't change the fact it was a shameful abuse of power by the state.
 
BobKowalski said:
So, you and your far right chums only spring into action if it’s a Muslim or asylum seeker doing the killing? White, Christian folk get a pass. Good to know.
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Well yeah of course the vast majority of people involved wouldn't be protesting/rioting if it was a white British Christian...the protests/riots were clearly a hostility to immigration/Islam/asylum seekers so not really sure what clever point you're making or why it took my post for you to realise that.

The point is though, it doesn't matter what your politics are, it's shameful that the UK are locking up, or trying to lock people up, for various non-crimes and some (not all) very innocuous speaking/chanting/postings.

If Just Stop Oil were being locked up for similar speech/non-crimes, I'd be equally vocal in condemning that but so far you've only given the example of people deliberately causing large parts of the road network to shutdown which I'd argue most people would consider a serious crime if it blocks the emergency services from treating/rescuing people.

Oh and criminal damage to a very valuable and historic painting.
 
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KDB Fan said:
No the rule of law works when you're arrested and tried for actual crimes, not when you're arrested for non-crimes or made a scapegoat for other people's crimes.

The police and CPS tried to criminalise speculation (this had nothing to do with incitement to violence), which should be legal in any country that values freedom of expression.

Thankfully the jury acquitted the defendant but it doesn't change the fact it was a shameful abuse of power by the state.
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They were charged with inciting violence. The jury disagreed, The end.
 
KDB Fan said:
No the rule of law works when you're arrested and tried for actual crimes, not when you're arrested for non-crimes or made a scapegoat for other people's crimes.

The police and CPS tried to criminalise speculation (this had nothing to do with incitement to violence), which should be legal in any country that values freedom of expression.

Thankfully the jury acquitted the defendant but it doesn't change the fact it was a shameful abuse of power by the state.
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That's ridiculous, you can only be tried for a crime that exists. The CPS doesn't make it up as they go along, they have to follow charging rules. Those charging rules are always the same but the CPS has to apply a number of tests to decide whether somebody is charged or not.

A lot of hate speech occurs online however the main reason why so many people were rounded up is because the CPS must apply a public interest test. Often it isn't in the public interest to pursue one random person saying something stupid in isolation however in this instance that hate speech was widespread, misinformed and fueled mass civil unrest and riots.

Freedom of expression is perfectly legal in isolation however none of it was isolated peaceful freedom of expression was it? It was racially motivated which satisfies the test of whether something actually is hateful. It was fuelling a riot which satisfies the public interest test so yes they were rightly charged.

Ask yourself this, why did so many plead guilty if they did nothing wrong?
 
KDB Fan said:
Well yeah of course the vast majority of people involved wouldn't be protesting/rioting if it was a white British Christian...the protests/riots were clearly a hostility to immigration/Islam/asylum seekers so not really sure what clever point you're making or why it took my post for you to realise that.

The point is though, it doesn't matter what your politics are, it's shameful that the UK are locking up, or trying to lock people up, for various non-crimes and some (not all) very innocuous speaking/chanting/postings.

If Just Stop Oil were being locked up for similar speech/non-crimes, I'd be equally vocal in condemning that but so far you've only given the example of people deliberately causing large parts of the road network to shutdown which I'd argue most people would consider a serious crime if it blocks the emergency services from treating/rescuing people.

Oh and criminal damage to a very valuable and historic painting.
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Racists trying to burn people alive vs blocking a road and causing someone to miss a hospital appointment. I’m happy with the side I’m on.
 
inbetween said:
That's ridiculous, you can only be tried for a crime that exists. The CPS doesn't make it up as they go along, they have to follow charging rules. Those charging rules are always the same but the CPS has to apply a number of tests to decide whether somebody is charged or not.

A lot of hate speech occurs online however the main reason why so many people were rounded up is because the CPS must apply a public interest test. Often it isn't in the public interest to pursue one random person saying something stupid in isolation however in this instance that hate speech was widespread, misinformed and fueled mass civil unrest and riots.

Freedom of expression is perfectly legal in isolation however none of it was isolated peaceful freedom of expression was it? It was racially motivated which satisfies the test of whether something actually is hateful. It was fuelling a riot which satisfies the public interest test so yes they were rightly charged.

Ask yourself this, why did so many charged plead guilty?
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Do you really think the authoritarian regimes that have existed over the years just say 'we're locking him for no crime'?

They claim they've broken a crime that's 'harmful', 'hateful', 'disinformation', 'inciting violence', 'against national security'...basically all the concepts we use to criminalise speech and either threaten them with a Draconian sentence so they plead guilty to a lesser sentence or appoint friendly judges to sentence them.

Very rarely do you get regimes just locking people up without even the pretence of someone committing a crime.
 
KDB Fan said:
Do you really think the authoritarian regimes that have existed over the years just say 'we're locking him for no crime'?

They claim they've broken a crime that's 'harmful', 'hateful', 'disinformation', 'inciting violence', 'against national security'...basically all the concepts we use to criminalise speech and either threaten them with a Draconian sentence so they plead guilty to a lesser sentence or appoint friendly judges to sentence them.

Very rarely do you get regimes just locking people up without even the pretence of someone committing a crime.
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You need to get a new job, where you are busy and occupied pal. You’re reading/watching too much shit online

If you think we are in an authoritarian regime, then you’ve lost control of yourself.
 
BridgyDids said:
You need to get a new job, where you are busy and occupied pal. You’re reading/watching too much shit online

If you think we are in an authoritarian regime, then you’ve lost control of yourself.
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Yet, if he stopped posting, we’d have to assume that he’d been banged up.
 
bluethrunthru said:
3 years at least for getting your bollocks smashed

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That brick will have made him forget some childhood memories too, what a prick father of 5 going prison the waste of space.
 
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