UKIP

[Skashion]

What's a "leftist"? Are there "rightists"?

If leftists did exist, I'm pretty sure that I would be quite pleased to be called a leftist. Most of the criticism towards people on the left is that they don't like hurting other people and most of the criticism towards people on the right is that they are intolerant of people's feelings.

I think I'd prefer to be a leftist than a rightist in those circumstances

Leftist is someone who loves Europe.

 

[W12]

Just to be clear, I think it's incredible that people believe that countries like Greece, Spain, Ireland, can have the same currency as countries like Germany, France and the UK. Truly bizarre. Already it's leading to mass unemployment and rioting on the streets in protest. However, if the majority of the British people vote for this in a referendum, then I'll think it's a mistake, but I'll have to grin and bear it, and content myself with saying 'I told you so', when it all goes tits up ;). As for Scotland, speaking as a democrat, I think it's great that they're having a referendum to decide on the future direction of their country, and I'll respect the outcome whatever that may be. A union where people can't be allowed to voice their opinion for fear of the possibility that they may say no, isn't much of a union imo.

You clearly have not listened to a word i have posted. So just to be clear.

Europe should be reformed. As it stands now i would on balance vote for withdrawl as it does not work. Single political and economic entities have to have strong bases, the EU does not. It needs to be far more democratic, it needs an elected President, it needs a powerful central bank and it needs all members to have the same currency. If that happens i will vote to stay in the EU.

The USA, the UK, Russia, Australia show its possible for people to share a currency and a government, so to argue if reform was achieved that Greece is at a disadvantage is like saying that Alaska suffers because its not New York. Its a nonsense argument as regional variations have always occured.

I find that the Eurosceptic approach to the EU is based on little englanderism, that outdated island race notion. As the rest of the EU move closer together we move further apart. How will leaving the EU benefit us? Norway and Switzerland who are not EU members still pay into the EU coffers for there right to be trading partners but have no voice at the table. So if we leave what then? What do we do? Even that well know far left wing group the CBI think leaving the EU would be madness as it could cost a million jobs.

Ideally far into the future i would like to see a world government where we all come under one democratically elected parliament. Every person has an equal say and equal rights to what resources the planet will have available. Im an internationalist though and my dreams are way into the future but closer integration with our closest allies is in my book as long as it is reformed in a proper and democratic manner the right way forward

Fantasy land.

 

[Rascal]

Just to be clear, I think it's incredible that people believe that countries like Greece, Spain, Ireland, can have the same currency as countries like Germany, France and the UK. Truly bizarre. Already it's leading to mass unemployment and rioting on the streets in protest. However, if the majority of the British people vote for this in a referendum, then I'll think it's a mistake, but I'll have to grin and bear it, and content myself with saying 'I told you so', when it all goes tits up ;). As for Scotland, speaking as a democrat, I think it's great that they're having a referendum to decide on the future direction of their country, and I'll respect the outcome whatever that may be. A union where people can't be allowed to voice their opinion for fear of the possibility that they may say no, isn't much of a union imo.

You clearly have not listened to a word i have posted. So just to be clear.

Europe should be reformed. As it stands now i would on balance vote for withdrawl as it does not work. Single political and economic entities have to have strong bases, the EU does not. It needs to be far more democratic, it needs an elected President, it needs a powerful central bank and it needs all members to have the same currency. If that happens i will vote to stay in the EU.

The USA, the UK, Russia, Australia show its possible for people to share a currency and a government, so to argue if reform was achieved that Greece is at a disadvantage is like saying that Alaska suffers because its not New York. Its a nonsense argument as regional variations have always occured.

I find that the Eurosceptic approach to the EU is based on little englanderism, that outdated island race notion. As the rest of the EU move closer together we move further apart. How will leaving the EU benefit us? Norway and Switzerland who are not EU members still pay into the EU coffers for there right to be trading partners but have no voice at the table. So if we leave what then? What do we do? Even that well know far left wing group the CBI think leaving the EU would be madness as it could cost a million jobs.

Ideally far into the future i would like to see a world government where we all come under one democratically elected parliament. Every person has an equal say and equal rights to what resources the planet will have available. Im an internationalist though and my dreams are way into the future but closer integration with our closest allies is in my book as long as it is reformed in a proper and democratic manner the right way forward

eh?

Your works do has affected your brain.

Think of federalism as a concept and how it works. First though petal have a sleep ;)<br /><br />-- Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:05 pm --<br /><br />

Fantasy land.

Have you got 11 fingers as all your answers are 11 letters long

fingers

 

[SWP's back]

No rascal, you are trying to compare apples with oranges and making an arse of it.

 

[W12]

You clearly have not listened to a word i have posted. So just to be clear.

Europe should be reformed. As it stands now i would on balance vote for withdrawl as it does not work. Single political and economic entities have to have strong bases, the EU does not. It needs to be far more democratic, it needs an elected President, it needs a powerful central bank and it needs all members to have the same currency. If that happens i will vote to stay in the EU.

The USA, the UK, Russia, Australia show its possible for people to share a currency and a government, so to argue if reform was achieved that Greece is at a disadvantage is like saying that Alaska suffers because its not New York. Its a nonsense argument as regional variations have always occured.

I find that the Eurosceptic approach to the EU is based on little englanderism, that outdated island race notion. As the rest of the EU move closer together we move further apart. How will leaving the EU benefit us? Norway and Switzerland who are not EU members still pay into the EU coffers for there right to be trading partners but have no voice at the table. So if we leave what then? What do we do? Even that well know far left wing group the CBI think leaving the EU would be madness as it could cost a million jobs.

Ideally far into the future i would like to see a world government where we all come under one democratically elected parliament. Every person has an equal say and equal rights to what resources the planet will have available. Im an internationalist though and my dreams are way into the future but closer integration with our closest allies is in my book as long as it is reformed in a proper and democratic manner the right way forward

eh?

Your works do has affected your brain.

Think of federalism as a concept and how it works. First though petal have a sleep ;)

-- Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:05 pm --

Fantasy land.

Have you got 11 fingers as all your answers are 11 letters long

fingers

You really are deluded Rascal.

 

[Damocles]

What's a "leftist"? Are there "rightists"?

If leftists did exist, I'm pretty sure that I would be quite pleased to be called a leftist. Most of the criticism towards people on the left is that they don't like hurting other people and most of the criticism towards people on the right is that they are intolerant of people's feelings.

I think I'd prefer to be a leftist than a rightist in those circumstances

Leftist is someone who loves Europe.

So in all contexts, a leftist is a Greek?

 

[Rascal]

No rascal, you are trying to compare apples with oranges and making an arse of it.

Explain why?

Nobody has.<br /><br />-- Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:16 pm --<br /><br />

You really are deluded Rascal.

Explain why then?

I doubt you are able.

 

[SWP's back]

No rascal, you are trying to compare apples with oranges and making an arse of it.

Explain why?

Nobody has.

Size of area (UK vs Europe) Historical context (USA vs Europe) Economic disparity of area (Greece and Italy compared with Germany & France).

Your comments saying "the UK has a single currency so why can' Europe" are pretty laughable mate. Sorry but they are.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

What's a "leftist"? Are there "rightists"?

If leftists did exist, I'm pretty sure that I would be quite pleased to be called a leftist. Most of the criticism towards people on the left is that they don't like hurting other people and most of the criticism towards people on the right is that they are intolerant of people's feelings.

I think I'd prefer to be a leftist than a rightist in those circumstances

I meant leftie, ie left winger. I'm sure you and Skashion both know what I meant.

For me the difference between a 'leftist' and a 'rightist', economically at least, comes down to different ways of defining 'fairness'. To me, a fair society is one where everybody pays the same amount of tax. If I pay £100, my neighbour pays £100. I guess a 'leftist' would consider this unfair - a fair society in their view is one where if you earn more money you should pay more money.

I know that equal taxation for all is unworkable but that is beside the point - the point is about what is deemed fairer, equal taxation for all or unequal taxation based on wealth.

No amount of debate on this or any other forum will change my view on what is fair, and I'm sure that's true for all the 'leftists' on here too, so we are in effect banging our heads against a brick wall.

 

[W12]

No rascal, you are trying to compare apples with oranges and making an arse of it.

Explain why?

Nobody has.

-- Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:16 pm --

You really are deluded Rascal.

Explain why then?

I doubt you are able.

It needs to be far more democratic, it needs an elected President, it needs a powerful central bank and it needs all members to have the same currency. If that happens i will vote to stay in the EU.

And when do you think this is ever going to happen.