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- Thread starter Ronnie the Rep
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ss-lgbt-rights-in-its-manifesto-10179496.html
It's also in their party manifesto that they want to repeal equality laws.
It's also in their party manifesto that they want to repeal equality laws.
Ronnie the Rep
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Rascal said:CTID1988 said:Left wing, Right wing, whatever. The sooner we realise we are all a bunch of c**ts the better, the world would be a much better place
That is so wrong.
As a bona fide far left nutter, i would rather you voted Tory than not at all
good plan. another vote for Dave
argyle said:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ss-lgbt-rights-in-its-manifesto-10179496.html
It's also in their party manifesto that they want to repeal equality laws.
Why should LGBT people be treated any differently to those that aren't LGBT?
And are those the equality laws that put less qualified people into jobs ahead of others because they're from a minority? Doesn't sound very equal to me...
I was impressed that UKIP had all of their costings independently checked. Would be very enlightening to see what an independent body would make of the Labour or Conservative promises.
101toMR
Well-Known Member
Some people don't want equality.
CityStu said:argyle said:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ss-lgbt-rights-in-its-manifesto-10179496.html
It's also in their party manifesto that they want to repeal equality laws.
Why should LGBT people be treated any differently to those that aren't LGBT?
And are those the equality laws that put less qualified people into jobs ahead of others because they're from a minority? Doesn't sound very equal to me...
I was impressed that UKIP had all of their costings independently checked. Would be very enlightening to see what an independent body would make of the Labour or Conservative promises.
I guess you're a UKIP supporter. They aren't talking about putting less qualified into jobs, UKIP are talking about not putting qualified people into jobs because they are gay.
UKIP want the right for people discriminate, I also guess you agree.
CityStu said:argyle said:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ss-lgbt-rights-in-its-manifesto-10179496.html
It's also in their party manifesto that they want to repeal equality laws.
Why should LGBT people be treated any differently to those that aren't LGBT?
And are those the equality laws that put less qualified people into jobs ahead of others because they're from a minority? Doesn't sound very equal to me...
I was impressed that UKIP had all of their costings independently checked. Would be very enlightening to see what an independent body would make of the Labour or Conservative promises.
I feel this needs addressing because it's a common argument on here about all minorities and positive discrimination.
Let's say that you want to be a football manager. You're a talented person who is well qualified and a professional. However you've never played the game at any sort of level. When you go for interviews, you sit in a room full of ex-players many of which are far less talented or qualified than you. Not always, though quite often, the Chairman will appoint the less talented ex-player purely because they're an ex-player and the fans will be happier with the reputation rather than an unknown.
This is an example of status working against talent and qualification. They didn't not hire you because you aren't an ex-player, but because the ex-player was the "easier" pick and seen as less of a gamble.
Now move this into a normal work office and think about a transexual female vs other females.
Positive discrimination is very useful for minorities because it removes the "weirdness" of working side by side with them and allows the system to judge by talent alone. By removing the stigma, it sets up a society where in future years people won't get a job because they're a transexual female but instead because they're not good enough in front of other candidates.
Essentially you can think of it as a form of long term investment into society so that the next generations have no issue with this type of stigma. Sort of how like getting a normal career in the 80s was difficult if you were an out of the closet homosexual but now very few people really care.
101toMR
Well-Known Member
The only positive discrimination I would be in favour of would be positive discrimination that helps the systemic poor.
argyle said:CityStu said:argyle said:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ss-lgbt-rights-in-its-manifesto-10179496.html
It's also in their party manifesto that they want to repeal equality laws.
Why should LGBT people be treated any differently to those that aren't LGBT?
And are those the equality laws that put less qualified people into jobs ahead of others because they're from a minority? Doesn't sound very equal to me...
I was impressed that UKIP had all of their costings independently checked. Would be very enlightening to see what an independent body would make of the Labour or Conservative promises.
I guess you're a UKIP supporter. They aren't talking about putting less qualified into jobs, UKIP are talking about not putting qualified people into jobs because they are gay.
UKIP want the right for people discriminate, I also guess you agree.
I like some of their policies. I also don't believe that's what they're talking about at all. They want to abolish the PC quotas that stop more qualified people being overlooked for jobs because there are other minority applicants.
I really don't think that in today's day and age, in this country, an employer would sacrifice having better workers because they happen to be gay. I'm pretty sure you don't even have to disclose that to a prospective employer.
People should be judged on merit, not their race or sexuality. Which is the whole argument of equality isn't it?
CityStu said:argyle said:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ss-lgbt-rights-in-its-manifesto-10179496.html
It's also in their party manifesto that they want to repeal equality laws.
Why should LGBT people be treated any differently to those that aren't LGBT?
And are those the equality laws that put less qualified people into jobs ahead of others because they're from a minority? Doesn't sound very equal to me...
I was impressed that UKIP had all of their costings independently checked. Would be very enlightening to see what an independent body would make of the Labour or Conservative promises.
I am sure that I am only repeating what people know, but in pursuance of equality, when recruiting hundreds of people into the public sector between 1999 and 2003 the formal policy was to actively discriminate in favour of ethnic minorities.
I only state this as a fact - it is nothing against ethnic minorities - just it was not an equal selection process - and therefore not equality. Government departments had to meet targets on the achievement.