UKIP

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Some people don't want equality.

Everybody wants equality...


... provided equality benefits them more than the rest

 

[Damocles]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ss-lgbt-rights-in-its-manifesto-10179496.html

It's also in their party manifesto that they want to repeal equality laws.

Why should LGBT people be treated any differently to those that aren't LGBT?

And are those the equality laws that put less qualified people into jobs ahead of others because they're from a minority? Doesn't sound very equal to me...

I was impressed that UKIP had all of their costings independently checked. Would be very enlightening to see what an independent body would make of the Labour or Conservative promises.

I am sure that I am only repeating what people know, but in pursuance of equality, when recruiting hundreds of people into the public sector between 1999 and 2003 the formal policy was to actively discriminate in favour of ethnic minorities.

I only state this as a fact - it is nothing against ethnic minorities - just it was not an equal selection process - and therefore not equality. Government departments had to meet targets on the achievement.

Because equality already doesn't exist in society for minorities. Selecting them based on a standardised system is reinforcing the societal inequality that already exists.

It's a simple thing really and to paraphrase I think Ben Franklin;

Fair applications are 3 wolfs and a sheep deciding on who to eat. Positive discrimination is deciding the sheep should go last.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

Why should LGBT people be treated any differently to those that aren't LGBT?

And are those the equality laws that put less qualified people into jobs ahead of others because they're from a minority? Doesn't sound very equal to me...

I was impressed that UKIP had all of their costings independently checked. Would be very enlightening to see what an independent body would make of the Labour or Conservative promises.

I am sure that I am only repeating what people know, but in pursuance of equality, when recruiting hundreds of people into the public sector between 1999 and 2003 the formal policy was to actively discriminate in favour of ethnic minorities.

I only state this as a fact - it is nothing against ethnic minorities - just it was not an equal selection process - and therefore not equality. Government departments had to meet targets on the achievement.

Because equality already doesn't exist in society for minorities. Selecting them based on a standardised system is reinforcing the societal inequality that already exists.

It's a simple thing really and to paraphrase I think Ben Franklin;

Fair applications are 3 wolfs and a sheep deciding on who to eat. Positive discrimination is deciding the sheep should go last.

Thats how things change isn't it? If you wanna live in a fair society there has to be proportional representation. Because although we're all the same species, some of us are different! There will be a time when gender, colour, sexuality, age, nationality etc will be of absolutely no relevance whatsoever I am sure. You are just 'person' People will be chosen/employed just for their qualifications and ideas. Are we there yet?

 

[CityStu]

I am sure that I am only repeating what people know, but in pursuance of equality, when recruiting hundreds of people into the public sector between 1999 and 2003 the formal policy was to actively discriminate in favour of ethnic minorities.

I only state this as a fact - it is nothing against ethnic minorities - just it was not an equal selection process - and therefore not equality. Government departments had to meet targets on the achievement.

Because equality already doesn't exist in society for minorities. Selecting them based on a standardised system is reinforcing the societal inequality that already exists.

It's a simple thing really and to paraphrase I think Ben Franklin;

Fair applications are 3 wolfs and a sheep deciding on who to eat. Positive discrimination is deciding the sheep should go last.

Thats how things change isn't it? If you wanna live in a fair society there has to be proportional representation. Because although we're all the same species, some of us are different! There will be a time when gender, colour, sexuality, age, nationality etc will be of absolutely no relevance whatsoever I am sure. You are just 'person' People will be chosen/employed just for their qualifications and ideas. Are we there yet?

I believe we are. Does anyone have any evidence, or recent anecdotes, to support the claim that without equality laws people would be overlooked for jobs because of their gender, colour, sexuality, etc?

 

[Rascal]

Because equality already doesn't exist in society for minorities. Selecting them based on a standardised system is reinforcing the societal inequality that already exists.

It's a simple thing really and to paraphrase I think Ben Franklin;

Fair applications are 3 wolfs and a sheep deciding on who to eat. Positive discrimination is deciding the sheep should go last.

Thats how things change isn't it? If you wanna live in a fair society there has to be proportional representation. Because although we're all the same species, some of us are different! There will be a time when gender, colour, sexuality, age, nationality etc will be of absolutely no relevance whatsoever I am sure. You are just 'person' People will be chosen/employed just for their qualifications and ideas. Are we there yet?

I believe we are. Does anyone have any evidence, or recent anecdotes, to support the claim that without equality laws people would be overlooked for jobs because of their gender, colour, sexuality, etc?

How come we have had a parliament for hundreds of years but never had a female PM?

 

[TangerineSteve17]

Because equality already doesn't exist in society for minorities. Selecting them based on a standardised system is reinforcing the societal inequality that already exists.

It's a simple thing really and to paraphrase I think Ben Franklin;

Fair applications are 3 wolfs and a sheep deciding on who to eat. Positive discrimination is deciding the sheep should go last.

Thats how things change isn't it? If you wanna live in a fair society there has to be proportional representation. Because although we're all the same species, some of us are different! There will be a time when gender, colour, sexuality, age, nationality etc will be of absolutely no relevance whatsoever I am sure. You are just 'person' People will be chosen/employed just for their qualifications and ideas. Are we there yet?

I believe we are. Does anyone have any evidence, or recent anecdotes, to support the claim that without equality laws people would be overlooked for jobs because of their gender, colour, sexuality, etc?

So you're saying you think there are no misogynist, ageist, racist, or homophobic bosses out there?

 

[TangerineSteve17]

How come we have had a parliament for hundreds of years but never had a female PM?

That's not very nice!

 

[CityStu]

How come we have had a parliament for hundreds of years but never had a female PM?

Good one. In all seriousness though, I'm talking present day, not hundreds of years ago. Clearly there was discrimination previously but my question is whether there's any now.

So you're saying you think there are no misogynist, ageist, racist, or homophobic bosses out there?

I think they're in a tiny minority and they have their equals. I'd imagine that for every misogynist boss, there's an extreme feminist one who wants an office full of women.

 

[blueonblue]

There should have been outrage and politicians hanging from lampposts the day these so called "Equality" laws were passed, it is they that discriminate against everyone because its those that define there IS a difference...

Any employer who gives a job to someone other than the best candidate is only damaging his own business, yet many have been forced to do just that to meet some target percentage, our local services loaded with people who would not have got the job other than their gender or skin colour, thus causing resentment and division in the workforce.

That`s NOT equality, and passing laws can never make things so.

 

[Tanzeylee]

Thats how things change isn't it? If you wanna live in a fair society there has to be proportional representation. Because although we're all the same species, some of us are different! There will be a time when gender, colour, sexuality, age, nationality etc will be of absolutely no relevance whatsoever I am sure. You are just 'person' People will be chosen/employed just for their qualifications and ideas. Are we there yet?

I believe we are. Does anyone have any evidence, or recent anecdotes, to support the claim that without equality laws people would be overlooked for jobs because of their gender, colour, sexuality, etc?

How come we have had a parliament for hundreds of years but never had a female PM?

I know people used to say "Maggie had some balls" but I didn't know they meant it literally...