ULEZ Letter

[Rascal]

Rather than spend money on car users, money should be spent on public transport infrastructure. Make all public transport free for everyone and eradicate the need for cars. Encourage companies to help workers buy bikes, Kellogs do this already. Ban the sales of SUVs and cars with big engines.

I have a car, I rarely use it, i use public transport and I would fully support a pay by the mile for car usage scheme.

 

[inbetween]

Rather than spend money on car users, money should be spent on public transport infrastructure. Make all public transport free for everyone and eradicate the need for cars. Encourage companies to help workers buy bikes, Kellogs do this already. Ban the sales of SUVs and cars with big engines.

I have a car, I rarely use it, i use public transport and I would fully support a pay by the mile for car usage scheme.

The last part is a bit difficult to take, I have an EV so I contribute zero to emissions, I presume that EV's would be exempt from the car usage scheme? It's impossible to get to my work on public transport because it's miles from a railway station and the bus is possible but I'd have to take 2 buses which would add up to a 1hr 30 min commute.

The bus would also contributes more to pollution than my car does.

For me a car usage scheme would be an unnecessary tax on me versus actually encouraging me to not use the car. I'd just pay it because I have no choice.

Common sense is needed. Public transport needs massive investment but in terms of the climate that's predominately to enable the reduction of pollution in the cities where the population is more concentrated. None of this is needed in less sparse areas where pollution is irrelevant and people really depend on their cars to get around.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Trouble is , any ulez or caz scheme hammers the working class the most.

Im self emp drive a 7 year old van, its in good nick and passed its emissions test each year. I look after it.
If CAZ comes in i face a choice of upgrading to a co-efficient van or i pay the daily fine.
Either way its hitting me in the pocket.

Large companies generally lease their vans and upgrade every 3 years regardless so nothing is affecting them.

So poor working class me gets whalloped

Ps
when caz comes in my vans value will plummet and the cost of an efficient van will sky rocket … whalloped again

 

[hilts]

Trouble is , any ulez or caz scheme hammers the working class the most.

Im self emp drive a 7 year old van, its in good nick and passed its emissions test each year. I look after it.
If CAZ comes in i face a choice of upgrading to a co-efficient van or i pay the daily fine.
Either way its hitting me in the pocket.

Large companies generally lease their vans and upgrade every 3 years regardless so nothing is affecting them.

So poor working class me gets whalloped

Ps
when caz comes in my vans value will plummet and the cost of an efficient van will sky rocket … whalloped again

Clean air trumps individuals finances I'm afraid.

 

[Rascal]

The last part is a bit difficult to take, I have an EV so I contribute zero to emissions, I presume that EV's would be exempt from the car usage scheme?

i would make exceptions of course. EVs would of course qualify, eventually though i would aim to remove all combustion engines from the roads

It's impossible to get to my work on public transport because it's miles from a railway station and the bus is possible but I'd have to take 2 buses which would add up to a 1hr 30 min commute.

If public transport service was improved and it was free, i would hope most would give up on cars altogether. Of course you having an EV would make you exempt.

The bus would also contributes more to pollution than my car does.

Electric buses

For me a car usage scheme would be an unnecessary tax on me versus actually encouraging me to not use the car. I'd just pay it because I have no choice.

If only combustion engines were charged, it may the make to move to EVs quicker plus an improved transport network free at the point of use puts money in peoples pockets.

Common sense is needed. Public transport needs massive investment but in terms of the climate that's predominately to enable the reduction of pollution in the cities where the population is more concentrated. None of this is needed in less sparse areas where pollution is irrelevant and people really depend on their cars to get around.

Of course, common sense has to prevail, what you say needs real thought and proper planning. Take Cheadle for instance, before Beeching it had 2 railway stations, they both were lost, now Cheadle is getting a new train station which will give direct access into Manchester. The tram network has various park and ride places and the network could be expanded and more introduced, with buses going to the tram stops rather than into town. This could be replicated across the country so every town and its hinterland has connectivity. In the air, this is called the hub and spoke model, why not do it on the ground.

 

[lazerblue]

There will be more and more of this shit, culminating in the charge per mile across the country. Once we are all green and emissions free the govt will have an annual £25bn hole in its pocket - they'll have to scam us in other ways.

the goalposts will constantly be on the move to keep the cash flowing

 

[Rascal]

Trouble is , any ulez or caz scheme hammers the working class the most.

Im self emp drive a 7 year old van, its in good nick and passed its emissions test each year. I look after it.
If CAZ comes in i face a choice of upgrading to a co-efficient van or i pay the daily fine.
Either way its hitting me in the pocket.

Large companies generally lease their vans and upgrade every 3 years regardless so nothing is affecting them.

So poor working class me gets whalloped

Ps
when caz comes in my vans value will plummet and the cost of an efficient van will sky rocket … whalloped again

I have been hearing these schemes wallop the working class, so does health inequality. An excellent transport network free at the point of use would benefit the working class and put money in their pockets, it would mean many working class families would have no need at all for a car and they would save on tax, insurance, running costs etc.

I would introduce exemptions for worker usage such as yourself as long as you only use your van for work purposes.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The move to EVs is flawed as it’s just not practical for millions who live with no parking spot at home, how do they charge their cars? If the ban on selling petrol diesel in 2030 comes in I can see huge sales in those in 2029, EVs are a great idea if the infrastructure and low cost are there but at the moment they aren’t and I don’t know if I’d trust a 5 year old electric car and how much life is left in the battery.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The move to EVs is flawed as it’s just not practical for millions who live with no parking spot at home, how do they charge their cars? If the ban on selling petrol diesel in 2030 comes in I can see huge sales in those in 2029, EVs are a great idea if the infrastructure and low cost are there but at the moment they aren’t and I don’t know if I’d trust a 5 year old electric car and how much life is left in the battery.

The old model of car use/ownership is flawed and needs to die. There's no need for most families to have 1 or 2 cars and use them infrequently.

EVs could be used when you need them and then used when others need them too.

Also worth pointing out that EV runarounds like the Citroen ami could cut out the use for a full car on smaller journeys.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The old model of car use/ownership is flawed and needs to die. There's no need for most families to have 1 or 2 cars and use them infrequently.

EVs could be used when you need them and then used when others need them too.

Also worth pointing out that EV runarounds like the Citroen ami could cut out the use for a full car on smaller journeys.

I totally agree and there is no need for Discovery size vehicles on the road theses should be limited to rural use only. We need 1 1/2 cars in our family, currently we have 1 but there are times when we need that extra one, maybe we will end up having like the scooter system where you can rent a car to get you into town etc, that I could buy into but then car manufacturing would die off and that would mean a lot of jobs lost.