ULEZ Letter

[MouldensChippy]

sorry just no longer interested in your flailing bull shit - I am out

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/andy-burnham-admits-wasnt-forced-24365884

All you need to do is remove the "it wasn't me guv, honest", and read to the end.

And let us not forget that M.E.N is one of the guys top cheerleaders, publishing this must have hurt them like City pushing past their red heroes !

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Yes................. https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/andy-burnham-admits-wasnt-forced-24365884

Lol, brilliant. Are the MEN aware it's 'flailing bullshit'?

 

[MouldensChippy]

Lol, brilliant. Are the MEN aware it's 'flailing bullshit'?

It was indeed a sad day for them, and the BBC, who are cheerleaders for this fraud. They may even of had the flags at half mast !

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It was indeed a sad day for them, and the BBC, who are cheerleaders for this fraud. They may even of had the flags at half mast !

There will be more and more of this shit, culminating in the charge per mile across the country. Once we are all green and emissions free the govt will have an annual £25bn hole in its pocket - they'll have to scam us in other ways.

 

[Blue Maverick]

That article says he has until,1 July so what’s his plan then? I need to buy a van if I can get away with a euro 5 I may well do.

 

[davyhulme blue]

That article says he has until,1 July so what’s his plan then? I need to buy a van if I can get away with a euro 5 I may well do.

I have mentioned before I have a vw transporter for work 15 plate euro 5 , I am in no position to buy a newer van at this stage of my working life so will probably call it a day after over 40 years being self employed in Manchester. Really pissed off with all of this .

 

[bluesince76]

Yes................. https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/andy-burnham-admits-wasnt-forced-24365884

That still not that what that says, it's what you sent to see. The requirement from government was to improve the air quality in GM to a specific level by 2024. They didn't explicitly state a charging CAZ was required, however they rejected funding for any other option, as the modelling couldn't show it would provide the benefits in the timescale.

Options like massive improvements to public transport were considered, but generally couldn't be achieved in the timescale e.g. new tram lines would take a lot longer. Other options like improved cycling wouldn't change the air quality anywhere near enough without getting to Dutch or Danish levels of cycling, which takes many years to get people to do.

The only way to achieve the air quality improvements required was to remove the source of the pollution i.e. the most polluting vehicles. Asking people to get rid of them wouldn't help, so the only option is to penalise people who have them to convince them to change. If you've got some better ideas to improve air quality, I suggest you go speak to government as there will be a lot of money in it for you, as the only choices appear to be ignore it and leave us all breathing poor air or charge the most polluting vehicles to get them off the roads.

I think the choice of charging vans was wrong, as, at the time, there were no alternatives other than expensive, nearly new diesels, but they chose them rather than private cars as they thought it would be more acceptable politically. COVID may have helped the problem, as changed working patterns means less cars at peak periods, plus it allowed more electric vehicles as it was right at the point this like the Tesla 3 and ID3 were starting to appear on company car lists.

We may therefore no longer need a GM wide CAZ, but that doesn't change the fact that we did back in 2019, otherwise we (the mayor, & the 10 authorities) would have been breaking the law.

 

[bluesince76]

There will be more and more of this shit, culminating in the charge per mile across the country. Once we are all green and emissions free the govt will have an annual £25bn hole in its pocket - they'll have to scam us in other ways.

We clearly need to move to road user charging due to loss from duty on petrol and diesel. You can't put the same duty on electric, otherwise it would impact on your heating etc. The other alternatives are raise other taxes e.g. income tax or VAT or cut spending by the amount.

Out of those options, surely continuing to charge motorists based on how much they use their vehicle is the fairest? The difficulty comes in how you differentiate between the electric equivalents of the cheap supermini and the brand new V8 Range Rover. Currently mpg means the bigger vehicle pays more, but if it's purely a mileage charge it wouldn't matter

 

[Blue Maverick]

We clearly need to move to road user charging due to loss from duty on petrol and diesel. You can't put the same duty on electric, otherwise it would impact on your heating etc. The other alternatives are raise other taxes e.g. income tax or VAT or cut spending by the amount.

Out of those options, surely continuing to charge motorists based on how much they use their vehicle is the fairest? The difficulty comes in how you differentiate between the electric equivalents of the cheap supermini and the brand new V8 Range Rover. Currently mpg means the bigger vehicle pays more, but if it's purely a mileage charge it wouldn't matter

but again the poorest will be hit, if you can afford a big fuck off land drover for dropping the kids off paying by the mile wont be an issue, I wonder how long it will take EVs to become the thing everyone hates, pollution from its tyres, the mining of of the compnenets damaging the environment in the sea etc. To me this is like the smoking issue, why not out right ban cigarettes, they are known to kill people, cause cancers etc, just ban the fuckers, but the tax they collect is huge, how anyone can afford to smoke is beyond me anyway.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

We clearly need to move to road user charging due to loss from duty on petrol and diesel. You can't put the same duty on electric, otherwise it would impact on your heating etc. The other alternatives are raise other taxes e.g. income tax or VAT or cut spending by the amount.

Out of those options, surely continuing to charge motorists based on how much they use their vehicle is the fairest? The difficulty comes in how you differentiate between the electric equivalents of the cheap supermini and the brand new V8 Range Rover. Currently mpg means the bigger vehicle pays more, but if it's purely a mileage charge it wouldn't matter

Yes, fair enough. I realise the road infra will still need paying for. What we actually spend on roads though is a fraction of the tax take from motorists. The ammount we pay at the fuel pumps alone is pretty much the same as what the public purse puts into (privatised) railways each year. Not sure how that works really.