ULEZ Letter

Rather than spend money on car users, money should be spent on public transport infrastructure. Make all public transport free for everyone and eradicate the need for cars. Encourage companies to help workers buy bikes, Kellogs do this already. Ban the sales of SUVs and cars with big engines.

I have a car, I rarely use it, i use public transport and I would fully support a pay by the mile for car usage scheme.
 
Rascal said:
Rather than spend money on car users, money should be spent on public transport infrastructure. Make all public transport free for everyone and eradicate the need for cars. Encourage companies to help workers buy bikes, Kellogs do this already. Ban the sales of SUVs and cars with big engines.

I have a car, I rarely use it, i use public transport and I would fully support a pay by the mile for car usage scheme.
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The last part is a bit difficult to take, I have an EV so I contribute zero to emissions, I presume that EV's would be exempt from the car usage scheme? It's impossible to get to my work on public transport because it's miles from a railway station and the bus is possible but I'd have to take 2 buses which would add up to a 1hr 30 min commute.

The bus would also contributes more to pollution than my car does.

For me a car usage scheme would be an unnecessary tax on me versus actually encouraging me to not use the car. I'd just pay it because I have no choice.

Common sense is needed. Public transport needs massive investment but in terms of the climate that's predominately to enable the reduction of pollution in the cities where the population is more concentrated. None of this is needed in less sparse areas where pollution is irrelevant and people really depend on their cars to get around.
 
Trouble is , any ulez or caz scheme hammers the working class the most.

Im self emp drive a 7 year old van, its in good nick and passed its emissions test each year. I look after it.
If CAZ comes in i face a choice of upgrading to a co-efficient van or i pay the daily fine.
Either way its hitting me in the pocket.

Large companies generally lease their vans and upgrade every 3 years regardless so nothing is affecting them.

So poor working class me gets whalloped

Ps
when caz comes in my vans value will plummet and the cost of an efficient van will sky rocket … whalloped again
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Trouble is , any ulez or caz scheme hammers the working class the most.

Im self emp drive a 7 year old van, its in good nick and passed its emissions test each year. I look after it.
If CAZ comes in i face a choice of upgrading to a co-efficient van or i pay the daily fine.
Either way its hitting me in the pocket.

Large companies generally lease their vans and upgrade every 3 years regardless so nothing is affecting them.

So poor working class me gets whalloped

Ps
when caz comes in my vans value will plummet and the cost of an efficient van will sky rocket … whalloped again
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Clean air trumps individuals finances I'm afraid.
 
inbetween said:
The last part is a bit difficult to take, I have an EV so I contribute zero to emissions, I presume that EV's would be exempt from the car usage scheme?
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i would make exceptions of course. EVs would of course qualify, eventually though i would aim to remove all combustion engines from the roads
inbetween said:
It's impossible to get to my work on public transport because it's miles from a railway station and the bus is possible but I'd have to take 2 buses which would add up to a 1hr 30 min commute.
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If public transport service was improved and it was free, i would hope most would give up on cars altogether. Of course you having an EV would make you exempt.
inbetween said:
The bus would also contributes more to pollution than my car does.
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Electric buses
inbetween said:
For me a car usage scheme would be an unnecessary tax on me versus actually encouraging me to not use the car. I'd just pay it because I have no choice.
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If only combustion engines were charged, it may the make to move to EVs quicker plus an improved transport network free at the point of use puts money in peoples pockets.
inbetween said:
Common sense is needed. Public transport needs massive investment but in terms of the climate that's predominately to enable the reduction of pollution in the cities where the population is more concentrated. None of this is needed in less sparse areas where pollution is irrelevant and people really depend on their cars to get around.
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Of course, common sense has to prevail, what you say needs real thought and proper planning. Take Cheadle for instance, before Beeching it had 2 railway stations, they both were lost, now Cheadle is getting a new train station which will give direct access into Manchester. The tram network has various park and ride places and the network could be expanded and more introduced, with buses going to the tram stops rather than into town. This could be replicated across the country so every town and its hinterland has connectivity. In the air, this is called the hub and spoke model, why not do it on the ground.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Trouble is , any ulez or caz scheme hammers the working class the most.

Im self emp drive a 7 year old van, its in good nick and passed its emissions test each year. I look after it.
If CAZ comes in i face a choice of upgrading to a co-efficient van or i pay the daily fine.
Either way its hitting me in the pocket.

Large companies generally lease their vans and upgrade every 3 years regardless so nothing is affecting them.

So poor working class me gets whalloped

Ps
when caz comes in my vans value will plummet and the cost of an efficient van will sky rocket … whalloped again
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I have been hearing these schemes wallop the working class, so does health inequality. An excellent transport network free at the point of use would benefit the working class and put money in their pockets, it would mean many working class families would have no need at all for a car and they would save on tax, insurance, running costs etc.

I would introduce exemptions for worker usage such as yourself as long as you only use your van for work purposes.
 
The move to EVs is flawed as it’s just not practical for millions who live with no parking spot at home, how do they charge their cars? If the ban on selling petrol diesel in 2030 comes in I can see huge sales in those in 2029, EVs are a great idea if the infrastructure and low cost are there but at the moment they aren’t and I don’t know if I’d trust a 5 year old electric car and how much life is left in the battery.
 
Blue Maverick said:
The move to EVs is flawed as it’s just not practical for millions who live with no parking spot at home, how do they charge their cars? If the ban on selling petrol diesel in 2030 comes in I can see huge sales in those in 2029, EVs are a great idea if the infrastructure and low cost are there but at the moment they aren’t and I don’t know if I’d trust a 5 year old electric car and how much life is left in the battery.
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The old model of car use/ownership is flawed and needs to die. There's no need for most families to have 1 or 2 cars and use them infrequently.

EVs could be used when you need them and then used when others need them too.

Also worth pointing out that EV runarounds like the Citroen ami could cut out the use for a full car on smaller journeys.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
The old model of car use/ownership is flawed and needs to die. There's no need for most families to have 1 or 2 cars and use them infrequently.

EVs could be used when you need them and then used when others need them too.

Also worth pointing out that EV runarounds like the Citroen ami could cut out the use for a full car on smaller journeys.
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I totally agree and there is no need for Discovery size vehicles on the road theses should be limited to rural use only. We need 1 1/2 cars in our family, currently we have 1 but there are times when we need that extra one, maybe we will end up having like the scooter system where you can rent a car to get you into town etc, that I could buy into but then car manufacturing would die off and that would mean a lot of jobs lost.
 
Rascal said:
Rather than spend money on car users, money should be spent on public transport infrastructure. Make all public transport free for everyone and eradicate the need for cars. Encourage companies to help workers buy bikes, Kellogs do this already. Ban the sales of SUVs and cars with big engines.

I have a car, I rarely use it, i use public transport and I would fully support a pay by the mile for car usage scheme.
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To be fair when I was at RSA they were doing a money off voucher scheme to subsidise workers to buy cycles via Halfords over 10 years ago. Back then even around their Peterborough office take up was poor. I think mostly because offices are on out of town business parks so for some the ride there and back would be like a daily mini-stage on the Tour de France. And of course its fitting the time to cycle in with dropping off and picking up kids.

Not sure how you ban the sales of SUV's as some do need them for legitimate purposes. The company car scene isn't as was - most I think get some sort of allowance to lease a car so maybe some form of taxation on the user and the employer providing the lease money to move them more into EV's would help - wean people off the the car park prestige thing - but even so I'd guess then they would face backlash from businesses who employ high mileage business travellers that would expose to a wider audience our inadequate charge network.
 
Rascal said:
I have been hearing these schemes wallop the working class, so does health inequality. An excellent transport network free at the point of use would benefit the working class and put money in their pockets, it would mean many working class families would have no need at all for a car and they would save on tax, insurance, running costs etc.

I would introduce exemptions for worker usage such as yourself as long as you only use your van for work purposes.
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There has to be worker exemption other wise prices for services goes up … further punishing the populace

Also as an idea of the average working families schedule to getting kids to school, getting them to swimming lessons a 10 min drive away 20 mins after school finishes, football practice 3 times a week. Guides. Cubs.
Getting from poynton to fallowfield for 9am on a saturday morning for one kids football match and to be in hazel grove for 10.30 for the next kids game.

Im afraid not having a car in this day n age is something of an unrealistic dream. Cant happen. We dont live in eastenders where we work, go to school, socialise, have sports events etc within a 5 min walk
 
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Bluesince1979 said:
There has to be a balance
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If you have a vehicle that isn't classed as being of the accepted standard there isn't a balance to be maintained really, you can either use it without paying or you can't.

Personally I'm not a fan where possible of taxing people to change behaviour. I would have stopped people being able to buy certain vehicles.

You probably bought your vehicle in good faith as diesals were promoted over petrol until recently so you have my sympathy.
 
hilts said:
If you have a vehicle that isn't classed as being of the accepted standard there isn't a balance to be maintained really, you can either use it without paying or you can't.

Personally I'm not a fan where possible of taxing people to change behaviour. I would have stopped people being able to buy certain vehicles.

You probably bought your vehicle in good faith as diesals were promoted over petrol until recently so you have my sympathy.
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Sympathy doesnt pay the bills.


Naturally old vans get replaced by new vans in time, theres really no need to hammer us with a tax. Because thats what it is. A money grab

I guess as long as we are all happy paying extra for services then its all good, Because ill be putting 15% on every job when (not if) CAZ comes in
 
Bluesince1979 said:
And whilst we are hammering the working man in the UK to save the planet what are we doing about india , China and USA?
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Air pollution from vehicles is a pretty localised problem tbh. Your last couple of posts have just clarified your outlook nicely.

I did have sympathy buts it has lessened quite drastically.
 
I love the push for cycling like we live in flat Holland, the weather is sunny like Spain and we have cycle lanes of Amsterdam. Then there is you can only cycle so far can’t take it on the metro link so you can use it at the other end it’s all for show. In the fire service we had the cycle to work scheme, brilliant get money off a bike cycle to work, then we you get there they send you to the other side if greater Manchester for the day/night shift because that stations short, how the fuck you get there with all your kit then? Believe it or not people cycled home got the car, some got on a bus so to get from oldham to Wigan took about 3 hours! Meanwhile that appliance is off the run!
It’s just not that simple to give up a car these days.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
You arent in the real world
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No honestly, they actually have a way of checking the air pollution on certain roads and local areas. Now obviously climate change is affected by everyone globally including China etc....

But here in the real world ULEZ is as much about local pollution. Surprised you didn't know that tbh but I'm glad I could help.

Anyhow as your adding 15% to your jobs you needn't worry about any of this, so alls well that ends well.
 
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