United thread 2012/13 (inc merged IPO thread)

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Chris Foy is refereeing League Two
this weekend

Just a coincidence i think

 

[lancs blue]

I hope Nani writes a book in a few years as he seems the sort who would write some top shit about Sir Slurp and his cult ways......

" At ze trainingz, we would findz him pizzing in zee goal mouth in hiz wife's slipperz with a cone on hiz head.." etc, etc sort of thing

Note: I don't know what language that was ^

That's the worst Portuguese accent I've ever read.

 

[supercrystal7]

Well, we never played at Bernabeu and if we won the other night that would be hardly shocking. And we did not win at Arsenal away for more than 20 years but it was not shocking when we finally did it last year in CUp.

You play with what you got not with what happened in history.

Spurs are good enough to beat most if not all teams on their day and they are definitely good enough to beat United. Any decent team is good enough to beat them these days with right approach.

Yes it would be shocking if you won at the Bernabeu, because good teams don't lose at home much. In fact would bet any league champions win 80% of their home matches at least. Further more good teams don't lose at home to teams they are superior than much. United are a better team than Tottenham.

If United and Tottenham played there best at a neutral venue, then most times United would win. If United played and Tottenham played there best at Old Trafford then United would win virtually all of them.

History is always important in football, because it effects the current players. When you play somewhere you always win it gives you that extra confidence. It knocks the confidence out of your opposition. Hence why there are bogey teams. Tottenham know no matter how well they have played, no matter how many goals they have been leading by Ferguson has always beaten them, especially at Old Trafford. Why do you think say England are so bad at penalty shoot outs and Liverpool are brilliant at them?

It was a huge win for Tottenham and will increase their confidence and moral greatly.

 

[MSP]

No, it wouldn't be shocking.. Madrid were certainly favorites but City are one of the best European teams and there is nothing shocking in top teams beating one another home or away..

Tottenham is one of best English teams, not much behind United in squad quality and there is nothing shocking in that win.

History doesn't have absolutely anything with current team qualities and form nor AVB has anything with all other managers Ferguson managed to defeat in this fixture. History is actually most whored word in football ever and means shit in what's happening today.

The mentality you are trying to install in your so called arguments is the main reason why scum are winning games even when playing shit like they do in most games recently - because other teams put their pants down as soon as they realize who are they playing against - the damn history.

It wasn't any kind of 1:6 win (though that score line is the only shocking thing from that match though your history comments would make one to think different and City victory in that match should be shocking, lol), it was simple 2:3 win by a team who are enough good to give United game and to win it.

Period ! :)

 

[supercrystal7]

No, it wouldn't be shocking.. Madrid were certainly favorites but City are one of the best European teams and there is nothing shocking in top teams beating one another home or away..

Tottenham is one of best English teams, not much behind United in squad quality and there is nothing shocking in that win.

History doesn't have absolutely anything with current team qualities and form nor AVB has anything with all other managers Ferguson manages to defeat in this fixture. History is actually most whored word in football ever and means shit in what's happening today.

It wasn't any kind of 1:6 win (though that score line is the only shocking thing from that match though your history comments would make one to think different), it was simple 2:3 win by a team who are enough good to give United game and to win it.

Period ! :)

I think you need to check just how often top teams lose at home. Even against other top teams it does not happen much. How many times did you lose at home last year? Once. How many years did Chelsea go without losing at home? How many years did Mourinho go without losing at home? It's always a big result when a top team lose at home. Would not say shocking, but it's a big result

Tottenham maybe a top team, but they are not United and don't have United's quality.

History has a huge impact on how the players react. Walker was losing his head, Defoe was playing like an idiot towards the end etc. History adds to pressure.

Again why do you think certain teams always do well against another team long after their style of football has changed?
Why do you think England are bad at penalties?
Why are Liverpool brilliant?

When you add in a weaker team like Tottenham beating United with all the matches they have lost against United then it's a shocking result.

 

[MSP]

I don't care how often top teams lose at home, it's not shocking. It can be against the odds, it can be lightly or very surprising but it is not shocking. What's shocking is to lose at home against Blackburn last year or Crystal Palace.

It can't be shocking that City beat Real Madrid anywhere, City are not Dinamo Zagreb but team full of world class players.

Just as it wouldn't be shocking City to lose from Dortmund tomorrow no matter how good City are at home and no matter the fact that Dortmund are behind City, just like City are behind Madrid.

It's a game of two very good teams and any score is not shocking (unless it's 6:0 and such..)

 

[supercrystal7]

I don't care how often top teams lose at home, it's not shocking. It can be against the odds, it can be lightly or very surprising but it is not shocking. What's shocking is to lose at home against Blackburn last year or Crystal Palace.

It can't be shocking that City beat Real Madrid anywhere, City are not Dinamo Zagreb but team full of world class players.

Just as it wouldn't be shocking City to lose from Dortmund tomorrow no matter how good City are at home and no matter the fact that Dortmund are behind City, just like City are behind Madrid.

It's a game of two very good teams and any score is not shocking (unless it's 6:0 and such..)

I never said it was shocking for a big team to lose to another. I said it was a big result. You beating Madrid would not be shocking, but would be a big result around the footballing world. Everyone would take note of it.

However, when you add Tottenham's history to United then it becomes a shocking one. I was coming back from an away Palace match when I heard Tottenham were 2-0 up at Old Trafford at HT. I told my mate, I hope they can hang on for a draw. Woke up to hear it was 4-2. No surprise.

It's been 23 years since they last won there. It's been 11 years since they last beat United. Don't you think it's strange for a top 5 club to be unable to beat another for 11 years. During that period United were sometimes the 3rd best team in England.

United losing at home + it being a team they never lose to made it shocking.

EDIT
Look at some of the results and remember in some of the League Cup games United put out their kids and Tottenham put out close to a first team.
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[MSP]

I don't care how often top teams lose at home, it's not shocking. It can be against the odds, it can be lightly or very surprising but it is not shocking. What's shocking is to lose at home against Blackburn last year or Crystal Palace.

It can't be shocking that City beat Real Madrid anywhere, City are not Dinamo Zagreb but team full of world class players.

Just as it wouldn't be shocking City to lose from Dortmund tomorrow no matter how good City are at home and no matter the fact that Dortmund are behind City, just like City are behind Madrid.

It's a game of two very good teams and any score is not shocking (unless it's 6:0 and such..)

I never said it was shocking for a big team to lose to another. I said it was a big result. You beating Madrid would not be shocking, but would be a big result around the footballing world. Everyone would take note of it.

Have a talk with yourself then mate, these are your very first words in this discussion:

Yes it would be shocking if you won at the Bernabeu

Of course it would be big result but shocking one - no.

Of course Spurs beating United at OT is big result but shocking one - no. If that happened 5 years ago when Tottenham were shit and United European champions it would be shocking but today when Tottenham is good team while United are capable to struggle against anyone there is nothing shocking in it. Except that Foy didn't jump in to give a help :)

 

[supercrystal7]

I don't care how often top teams lose at home, it's not shocking. It can be against the odds, it can be lightly or very surprising but it is not shocking. What's shocking is to lose at home against Blackburn last year or Crystal Palace.

It can't be shocking that City beat Real Madrid anywhere, City are not Dinamo Zagreb but team full of world class players.

Just as it wouldn't be shocking City to lose from Dortmund tomorrow no matter how good City are at home and no matter the fact that Dortmund are behind City, just like City are behind Madrid.

It's a game of two very good teams and any score is not shocking (unless it's 6:0 and such..)

I never said it was shocking for a big team to lose to another. I said it was a big result. You beating Madrid would not be shocking, but would be a big result around the footballing world. Everyone would take note of it.

Have a talk with yourself then mate, these are your very first words in this discussion:

Yes it would be shocking if you won at the Bernabeu

Of course it would be big result but shocking one - no.

Of course Spurs beating United at OT is big result but shocking one - no. If that happened 5 years ago when Tottenham were shit and United European champions it would be shocking but today when Tottenham is good team while United are capable to struggle against anyone there is nothing shocking in it. Except that Foy didn't jump in to give a help :)

Yeh that was a mistake. I meant to say it would be a big result. I thought I had edited that, but accidently left it in. I agree it would not be shocking for you to have beat Madrid. However, I stand by what I said the Tottenham win was shocking given history.

EDIT

What you don't realise about Tottenham vs United is that Tottenham never win. United have played their kids and still won. United have been trailing 2-0 at half time and still won. United were even losing 3-0 at White Hart Lane and won. Even when Tottenham did score a legitimate goal once it was ruled out.

Even with Tottenham being a top side and United being on the wane as you say, Tottenham were exceptionally lucky.
United hit the woodwork twice, had a good penalty shout turned down and RVP missed two golden chances.

 

[MSP]

City haven't won for 27 years I think at Arsenal - was it shocking when it happened last year in League Cup and would it be shocking if it would happen in league this year?

Would it f**k.

Nothing shocking as much as you're trying to save yourself with chances, United pressure etc.. :)