United thread 2013/14 (continued)

[savo]

poster on the mail site reckons the fat waiter is lined up

So you're telling us it might get even better!!...# SOD

 

[Blue Hefner]

SSN reporting that Premier League managers are 'rallying round' Moyes. I fucking bet they are!!!

 

[marco]

SSN reporting that Premier League managers are 'rallying round' Moyes. I fucking bet they are!!!

fuck there desperate for a positive story about them this must be killing sky i never beleived they were biased but a blind man wouldnt have any problems seeing it now

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

SSN reporting that Premier League managers are 'rallying round' Moyes. I fucking bet they are!!!

Yep. Mourinho, Pellegrini, Wenger, Sherwood, Rodgers and Martinez particularly. Not to mention Pochettino and Pardew.

And there might be bad news off the field as well.

(Reuters) - General Motors Co's recent decision to pull its well-known Chevrolet brand out of Europe suddenly makes its expensive sponsorship deal with Manchester United, the world's most recognized soccer club, look like less of a winner.

When the No. 1 U.S. automaker announced in 2012 that it was paying $559 million over seven years to slap the Chevy bowtie logo on the jerseys of "Man U" players, the steep price tag turned heads. Now, in light of GM's announcement last month that Chevrolet will largely exit Europe by the end of 2015, the contract has become even more of an overpay because players will be wearing a logo for a product that is nonexistent in the region.

"Understand what this sponsorship deal is all about - it's eyeballs. They're leaving a big patch of geography with lots of eyeballs so the economic value has to go down," said Gary Fechter, an attorney who has represented companies in sponsorship deals for 35 years. Fechter is not involved in GM's deal.

Though Chevy has long been an iconic brand in the United States, it never really took off in Europe, hurt by the region's tough competition and an economic downturn. GM said it plans instead to focus on expanding its Opel and Vauxhall brands in the region.

GM still sells its Chevy brand in most other markets around the world.

Jim Andrews, senior vice president with IEG, a WPP Plc unit that tracks sponsorships, said the deal still holds promise for GM in emerging markets where Manchester United is popular, but the value took a hit with the exit from Europe.

"I would not classify it as a bad deal, but if you could rewind the clock, knowing that you're not going to be marketing the Chevy brand in Europe, would you do this deal at that price? I think the answer is clearly no."

GM executives dismiss the notion that the deal is less valuable, saying the true payoff will be in Asia and other emerging markets. "Anyone who's ever lived in Europe or understands Europe will know that there is not a high proportion of Germans that support English soccer clubs. They follow the Bundesliga" or German professional soccer league, Alan Batey, GM's North American chief, said at the Detroit auto show on Monday. Batey is also GM's global head of the Chevy brand.

"We never, ever did this for Europe," he added. "We did this because frankly soccer is the sport of the world. We really did this for our emerging markets, particularly China and Asia."

As with any sponsorship deal, GM will also have to spend additional money to advertise or promote its partnership with Manchester United. The automaker is planning a huge promotional launch when the Chevy bowtie goes on the game jerseys in August and it will also use the Internet and social media to promote its brand with the club's millions of fans.

Manchester United's data on its fan base backs GM's argument because the club says almost half of its 659 million followers globally are in Asia, including 108 million in China. Another 173 million are in the Middle East and Africa, and 71 million in the Americas, while only 90 million are in Europe. Fechter, the sponsorship lawyer, called GM's argument "putting a happy face" on a bad deal that could, however, still work in the end.Of course, the deal might look better if United's performance this season was stronger.

Manchester United are struggling on the pitch under new manager David Moyes this season. Going into this weekend's round of matches, United are only seventh in the 20-team Premier League. They have never finished outside of the top three places since the Premier League was launched in 1992.

Manchester United officials are not fazed by GM's decision in Europe.
"Chevrolet are very clear that the partnership with us is a global one and we both intend to continue this partnership to help build their brand around the world," club spokesman Phil Townsend said. Insurer Aon Plc, the current jersey sponsor under a four-year deal, instead signed a new agreement last April that runs twice as long for $240 million to sponsor United's practice jersey, training complex and preseason tour. "We think it's more efficient and effective for both Aon and Manchester United," Aon Vice President David Prosperi said.

GM may have overpaid for the jersey deal, but it can still pay off if the automaker reaches enough fans, said Simon Chadwick, professor of sports business strategy at Coventry University in England. "It might sound a little outlandish," he said, "but might we see Manchester United-branded Chevys driving around Beijing?"

Seems no one told Reuters that GM disputed the figures after they found out how they were compiled plus they re-negotiated quietly after the GM executive who did the deal was found to have exceeded his authority and weas sacked. My understanding is they agreed a much lower figure to avoid a court case in which GM could have repudiated the deal altogether.

 

[lancs blue]

SSN reporting that Premier League managers are 'rallying round' Moyes. I fucking bet they are!!!

Yes I can just imagine Mourinho thinking "keep him there until I'm pissed off with Abramovitch" (or vice versa).

 

[manimanc]

when we played Bayern munich at home in the chimps league,a gobshite rag "friend" of mine texted me saying watch the video on youtube of the match with the benny hill tune in the background...
then "the genius of dmoyes" pops up on there....
ain`t karma a bitch!

 

[zandvoort blue]

A game of 81 crosses is just a manifestation of Graham Taylor`s Watford tactics from the 70s. Just goes to show how far that club is being left behind. Taylor`s football was based upon Charles Reep`s tactics drawn up in the 1950s.

http://www.wsc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2502&Itemid=29


Quote:
The man who had inadvertently given birth to such footballing catch-calls as “playing the percentage game”, “putting it in the mixer” and the Sunday morning classic “just get rid of it” would have no further involvement in the professional game.

 

[Citysmith]

I love that photo.

It cheered me up no end after Saturday's disappointment.

Mick Hucknall is a rag?

Well-known fact.

I love Dave from the Royle family on the left<br /><br />-- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:00 pm --<br /><br />

I love that photo.

It cheered me up no end after Saturday's disappointment.

Mick Hucknall is a rag?

Well-known fact.

I love Dave from the Royle family on the left

 

[Sigh]

SSN reporting that Premier League managers are 'rallying round' Moyes. I fucking bet they are!!!

Yep. Mourinho, Pellegrini, Wenger, Sherwood, Rodgers and Martinez particularly. Not to mention Pochettino and Pardew.

And there might be bad news off the field as well.

(Reuters) - General Motors Co's recent decision to pull its well-known Chevrolet brand out of Europe suddenly makes its expensive sponsorship deal with Manchester United, the world's most recognized soccer club, look like less of a winner.

When the No. 1 U.S. automaker announced in 2012 that it was paying $559 million over seven years to slap the Chevy bowtie logo on the jerseys of "Man U" players, the steep price tag turned heads. Now, in light of GM's announcement last month that Chevrolet will largely exit Europe by the end of 2015, the contract has become even more of an overpay because players will be wearing a logo for a product that is nonexistent in the region.

"Understand what this sponsorship deal is all about - it's eyeballs. They're leaving a big patch of geography with lots of eyeballs so the economic value has to go down," said Gary Fechter, an attorney who has represented companies in sponsorship deals for 35 years. Fechter is not involved in GM's deal.

Though Chevy has long been an iconic brand in the United States, it never really took off in Europe, hurt by the region's tough competition and an economic downturn. GM said it plans instead to focus on expanding its Opel and Vauxhall brands in the region.

GM still sells its Chevy brand in most other markets around the world.

Jim Andrews, senior vice president with IEG, a WPP Plc unit that tracks sponsorships, said the deal still holds promise for GM in emerging markets where Manchester United is popular, but the value took a hit with the exit from Europe.

"I would not classify it as a bad deal, but if you could rewind the clock, knowing that you're not going to be marketing the Chevy brand in Europe, would you do this deal at that price? I think the answer is clearly no."

GM executives dismiss the notion that the deal is less valuable, saying the true payoff will be in Asia and other emerging markets. "Anyone who's ever lived in Europe or understands Europe will know that there is not a high proportion of Germans that support English soccer clubs. They follow the Bundesliga" or German professional soccer league, Alan Batey, GM's North American chief, said at the Detroit auto show on Monday. Batey is also GM's global head of the Chevy brand.

"We never, ever did this for Europe," he added. "We did this because frankly soccer is the sport of the world. We really did this for our emerging markets, particularly China and Asia."

As with any sponsorship deal, GM will also have to spend additional money to advertise or promote its partnership with Manchester United. The automaker is planning a huge promotional launch when the Chevy bowtie goes on the game jerseys in August and it will also use the Internet and social media to promote its brand with the club's millions of fans.

Manchester United's data on its fan base backs GM's argument because the club says almost half of its 659 million followers globally are in Asia, including 108 million in China. Another 173 million are in the Middle East and Africa, and 71 million in the Americas, while only 90 million are in Europe. Fechter, the sponsorship lawyer, called GM's argument "putting a happy face" on a bad deal that could, however, still work in the end.Of course, the deal might look better if United's performance this season was stronger.

Manchester United are struggling on the pitch under new manager David Moyes this season. Going into this weekend's round of matches, United are only seventh in the 20-team Premier League. They have never finished outside of the top three places since the Premier League was launched in 1992.

Manchester United officials are not fazed by GM's decision in Europe.
"Chevrolet are very clear that the partnership with us is a global one and we both intend to continue this partnership to help build their brand around the world," club spokesman Phil Townsend said. Insurer Aon Plc, the current jersey sponsor under a four-year deal, instead signed a new agreement last April that runs twice as long for $240 million to sponsor United's practice jersey, training complex and preseason tour. "We think it's more efficient and effective for both Aon and Manchester United," Aon Vice President David Prosperi said.

GM may have overpaid for the jersey deal, but it can still pay off if the automaker reaches enough fans, said Simon Chadwick, professor of sports business strategy at Coventry University in England. "It might sound a little outlandish," he said, "but might we see Manchester United-branded Chevys driving around Beijing?"

Seems no one told Reuters that GM disputed the figures after they found out how they were compiled plus they re-negotiated quietly after the GM executive who did the deal was found to have exceeded his authority and weas sacked. My understanding is they agreed a much lower figure to avoid a court case in which GM could have repudiated the deal altogether.

US taxpayers paid for that sponsorship deal. Crickets from the UK media / UEFA.
Love Glazers. Hate United.

edit: AIG also got 90 billion in US taxpayer money and as for AON...lol

 

[ROCKET80]

For the life of me I can't understand why this tactic of the Rags has surprised so many in the media.

It's been there tactic since the GPC took over. Whether it was Sharp, Wallace, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Beckham, Ronaldo etc. their whole philosophy has been to get it wide and get it in the box.

 

[jimharri]

Apparently Zaha has posted a picture of him and Ole on instagram just now with the caption "Nothing like someone who believes on you..". Couldn't imagine that sort of dissent being allowed in GPC's day. And what a thick twat Wilfy is....it's ''in you'', not ''on you''.

 

[marco]

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg</a>

 

[Ban-jani]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

[jimharri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

I'll raise you;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_8Pi4icjQ8E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 8Pi4icjQ8E</a>

 

[Dubai Blue]

Not sure if it's been mentioned anywhere, but during the minutes silence yesterday at the swamp, which is supposed to be a sombre dignified occasion, there in the center circle with the players was Fred the red with his big plastic head, very classy.

I thought it strange and disrespectful that they continued to announce the Ushited team (bench) whilst the whole stadium was silent.... then the silence only lasted barely 20 seconds after they finished... I thought that was very disrespectful at the time.

There again, there's no money in a minutes silence is there?

Not as disrespectful as the boy wonder jizzyjazz not bothering to wear a black armband.

 

[jimharri]

Not 100% sure if this is genuine or not, but it's claimed that this came up on the Beeb's subtitles last night on MOTD2;

[bigimg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgJF8wsIgAAZXBR.jpg:large[/bigimg]

 

[BlueAnorak]

David Moyes has been offered a job coaching the GB bobsleigh team. Team GB are impressed with his ability to get a team to go downhill at speed!

 

[jimharri]

David Moyes has been offered a job coaching the GB bobsleigh team. Team GB are impressed with his ability to get a team to go downhill at speed!

<a class="postlink" href="http://badum-tish.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://badum-tish.com/</a>

 

[bluemc1]

poster on the mail site reckons the fat spanish waiter is lined up

When asked about this the GPC said "not in my lifetime"

 

[marco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

I'll raise you;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_8Pi4icjQ8E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 8Pi4icjQ8E</a>

best post on bluemoon ever matey, can one of our insiders get this on rag cafe