United thread 2013/14 (continued)

[Big Swifty]

The simple fact is that teams are no longer coming to the swamp and fearing the worst. They all fancy their chances now against the Satan-worshippers.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Wee 6ft 1 Davey has had a baptism of fire,and like I,ve said he's been very unlucky ,I would be astonished if he lost his job ( btw I don't like anyone losing their regardless of their profession ,unless they are MP)

Typical rag, wanting to see our manager get sacked ;-)

A member of parliament ! Pure co incidence.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I take back any criticism of Moyes, the mans a genius, He has created a new formation entirely, revolutionary stuff (Off FB)

Need to inject a bit more fire power up front.

 

[dronefromsector7g]

I take back any criticism of Moyes, the mans a genius, He has created a new formation entirely, revolutionary stuff (Off FB)

Need to inject a bit more fire power up front.

Jizz-Jazz has just appeared at the head of that formation

 

[supercrystal7]

Regarding the current crop of players or as they are still known Champions, the squad is as good as any in the Prem inc City,first eleven no,squad yes.
It's obvious the change of management hasn't gone down well with the experience players ,and it's looks like most of them will be off ski sooner than expected , but I,m sure they will purchase suitable replacements ,they have done in the past,so I can't see why that should change.

Let me tell you about this squad that is as good as any in the PL. Around Christmas time I was talking to a journalist who covers the Manchester clubs for one of the big papers. I've known this guy for some time and our families go back even further. Him (and some other journalists) had been briefed by club insiders about Moyes' plans for the squad. Of that established squad, there were 6 names considered not good enough.

Obviously Anderson was one, along with Valencia, Young & Nani. At the back Smalling and Jones were considered too limited and hadn't developed sufficiently. Moyes and Ferdinand don't speak after Rio lost his rag with Moyes, who told him he should aspire to be Phil Jagielka. Camelgob reeled off what he'd won and said to Moyes "Now - what the fuck have you & Phil Jagielka won?" In addition, Cleverley has been given another season to prove himself or he's out the door as well.

Of the new players Zaha simply didn't train well enough so they fucked him off and then there's Fellaini. When they train, they have two 'keep ball' circles with the technically better players in one and the others in the second. Fellaini apparently can't even reach the standard of the latter circle he is so poor technically. And that's what they paid £27.5m for (which is more than we paid for Silva, Nasri or Yaya). Evra would like to stay but there's no word one way or the other from the club.

So this squad now seems to consist of Rafael, Evans, Buttner, possibly Evra, Varela (who hasn't played), Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini, Cleverley (who's on a last chance), Kagawa, Mata, Rooney, Januzaj, Welbeck, Hernadez and RVP.

And of those, Kagawa, Hernandez and van Persie are very unhappy, particularly the latter. That's your squad of "champions".

This just shows the lack of class and professionalism that Moyes has. A manager should not be briefing journalist information like that and either should the club. It should all be kept in house. I know enough people who either are still in the game or used to be, to know that the stories leaked to the press are never the whole truth. The people friendly with the journalist get to release what they want.

I personally feel sorry for Fellaini being hung out as the scapegoat. Moyes and his coaching staff had him for years at Everton. If he was so poor technically there, then why the hell did Moyes bring him to United? With the exception of Giggs, it's the exact same coaching staff that worked at Everton.

AVB was slaughtered by the press for doing a much better job than Moyes. People keep going on about how AVB had 100 million, but they ignore that Moyes has spent 80 million. Unlike Moyes AVB had also lost 100 million pounds worth of talent. Moyes had lost nobody except Anderson and had taken over the champions. Moyes is lucky he has such great friends in the press. At every other club he would have rightfully been fired a month ago.

Last season if I was asked to name my five best players in the league; they would be as follows.
1. RVP
2. Suarez
3. Bale
4. Mata
5. Yaya/Silva (despite both having poorer seasons than usual)

United currently have 2/5 of the best players last season. They have another world class striker in Rooney.

At the start of the season this United squad was only behind City and equal to Chelsea. Put Mourinho at United, give him 80 million net to spend and they would be top of the league without a doubt.

 

[Matty]

None the less the same squad are current champions,only Anderson has left as yet.Most of them would get into City's squad,some of them in the City's first eleven ARGUABLY depending ,RVP ,Rooney,Evans ,Jones,Nani ( on form) De Gea,Kagawa,Fellani,Mata ,Evra even Smalling Welbeck and Carrick.

Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion this is just barking.

Look at each position individually.

Goalkeeper - There's very little to chose between Hart and De Gea, they'd both make a 25 man Premier League squad for a "Manchester Football Club", who started would be a coin toss. As 3rd choice keeper I'd take Pantilimon over Lindegaard.

Right Back - Zabaleta is the best right back in either squad, he's probably challenging Ivanovic for the best right back in the Premier League. Rafael would be a backup as we do lack quality depth at right back.

Left Back - A few years ago you'd have picked Evra, but he'll be 33 at the end of the season and isn't even close to being the player he was. City have 2 left back options, I'd have them both as the top 2 options here.

Centre Half - Kompany is a mile clear of anythign on offer here, there's not even a point discussing that. Alongside him it's a more open field, we've got Nastasic, Lescott and Demichelis, United have Smalling, Jones, Vidic, Evans and Ferdinand. Straight off the bat I'm ignoring Ferdinand, Demichelis, Lescott and Smalling, all 4 have issues, either age, quality, or both. I'd probably play Vidic alongside Kompany, with Nastasic and Jones as backup.

Midfield (defensive) - United's midfield is their weakest area, defensively you can't look past both Yaya Toure and Fernandinho as being a distance better than the other options.

Midfield (offensive) - Silva is the best option here, again without doubt. Nasri and Mata would be the next in line.

Midfield (wide) - United have more options here, as they play with a lot more width (hence the 81 crosses against Fulham) however Navas is probably the best option in either squad. Valencia has one move, Nani is inconsistent, Young just isn't very good. Januszaj might fit in here, but he's still young and needs to prove he can do it consistently. Milner is a solid, if unspectacular option, and is better defensively than the others.

Forward - United's one really area of quality with both Rooney and RVP, however it's City's strongest area too. For me Aguero is the best striker in either squad, and I'd probably partner him with Rooney. RVP and Negredo would be the other options.

So, in a 25 man squad, I'd have the following

Goalkeepers - Joe Hart, David De Gea, Costel Pantilimon
Defenders - Aleksandar Kolarov, Gael Clichy, Vincent Kompany, Nemanja Vidic, Pablo Zabaleta, Phil Jones, Jonny Evans, Matja Nastasic, Rafael.

Midfield - Yaya Toure, Fernandinho, David Silva, Juan Mata, Samir Nasri, Jesus Navas, James Milner, Nani, Michael Carrick.

Forward - Sergio Aguero, Wayne Rooney, Robin Van Persie, Alvaro Negredo.

Strongest lineup

GK - Hart/De Gea
RB - Zabaleta
CB - Kompany
CB - Vidic
LB - Kolarov
MD - Fernandinho
MD - Toure
MD - Silva
MD - Mata
ST - Aguero
ST - Rooney

Subs - Hart/De Gea, Clichy, Jones, Milner, Nasri, Van Persie, Negredo

So, as you can see, 3 (maybe 4) of the starting 11, and 5 of the strongest 18 match day squad, and 9 of the 25 man squad would be United players. It's also worth noting that some of those United players aded to the squad are debatable. You could argue for Lescott over Evans or Jovetic over Nani.

 

[malg]

That Stretford lad has got everyone in a right tizz. Oh, and for what it's worth I'd have RVP ahead of Negredo - that's if they're both 100% fit. Anyone who'd have Negredo in front of the Rapist when both at their best needs looking at.

 

[Stretford Ender]

None the less the same squad are current champions,only Anderson has left as yet.Most of them would get into City's squad,some of them in the City's first eleven ARGUABLY depending ,RVP ,Rooney,Evans ,Jones,Nani ( on form) De Gea,Kagawa,Fellani,Mata ,Evra even Smalling Welbeck and Carrick.

Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion this is just barking.

Look at each position individually.

Goalkeeper - There's very little to chose between Hart and De Gea, they'd both make a 25 man Premier League squad for a "Manchester Football Club", who started would be a coin toss. As 3rd choice keeper I'd take Pantilimon over Lindegaard.

Right Back - Zabaleta is the best right back in either squad, he's probably challenging Ivanovic for the best right back in the Premier League. Rafael would be a backup as we do lack quality depth at right back.

Left Back - A few years ago you'd have picked Evra, but he'll be 33 at the end of the season and isn't even close to being the player he was. City have 2 left back options, I'd have them both as the top 2 options here.

Centre Half - Kompany is a mile clear of anythign on offer here, there's not even a point discussing that. Alongside him it's a more open field, we've got Nastasic, Lescott and Demichelis, United have Smalling, Jones, Vidic, Evans and Ferdinand. Straight off the bat I'm ignoring Ferdinand, Demichelis, Lescott and Smalling, all 4 have issues, either age, quality, or both. I'd probably play Vidic alongside Kompany, with Nastasic and Jones as backup.

Midfield (defensive) - United's midfield is their weakest area, defensively you can't look past both Yaya Toure and Fernandinho as being a distance better than the other options.

Midfield (offensive) - Silva is the best option here, again without doubt. Nasri and Mata would be the next in line.

Midfield (wide) - United have more options here, as they play with a lot more width (hence the 81 crosses against Fulham) however Navas is probably the best option in either squad. Valencia has one move, Nani is inconsistent, Young just isn't very good. Januszaj might fit in here, but he's still young and needs to prove he can do it consistently. Milner is a solid, if unspectacular option, and is better defensively than the others.

Forward - United's one really area of quality with both Rooney and RVP, however it's City's strongest area too. For me Aguero is the best striker in either squad, and I'd probably partner him with Rooney. RVP and Negredo would be the other options.

So, in a 25 man squad, I'd have the following

Goalkeepers - Joe Hart, David De Gea, Costel Pantilimon
Defenders - Aleksandar Kolarov, Gael Clichy, Vincent Kompany, Nemanja Vidic, Pablo Zabaleta, Phil Jones, Jonny Evans, Matja Nastasic, Rafael.

Midfield - Yaya Toure, Fernandinho, David Silva, Juan Mata, Samir Nasri, Jesus Navas, James Milner, Nani, Michael Carrick.

Forward - Sergio Aguero, Wayne Rooney, Robin Van Persie, Alvaro Negredo.

Strongest lineup

GK - Hart/De Gea
RB - Zabaleta
CB - Kompany
CB - Vidic
LB - Kolarov
MD - Fernandinho
MD - Toure
MD - Silva
MD - Mata
ST - Aguero
ST - Rooney

Subs - Hart/De Gea, Clichy, Jones, Milner, Nasri, Van Persie, Negredo

So, as you can see, 3 (maybe 4) of the starting 11, and 5 of the strongest 18 match day squad, and 9 of the 25 man squad would be United players. It's also worth noting that some of those United players aded to the squad are debatable. You could argue for Lescott over Evans or Jovetic over Nani.

Excellent answer my only slight disagreement is regarding Navas and Fernadinho,havnt seen enough of them ,but it can't see them being that much better than Carrick in midfield or the 3 wide Utd players ,but overall I wasn't that far out.Good answer though.

 

[Matty]

None the less the same squad are current champions,only Anderson has left as yet.Most of them would get into City's squad,some of them in the City's first eleven ARGUABLY depending ,RVP ,Rooney,Evans ,Jones,Nani ( on form) De Gea,Kagawa,Fellani,Mata ,Evra even Smalling Welbeck and Carrick.

Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion this is just barking.

Look at each position individually.

Goalkeeper - There's very little to chose between Hart and De Gea, they'd both make a 25 man Premier League squad for a "Manchester Football Club", who started would be a coin toss. As 3rd choice keeper I'd take Pantilimon over Lindegaard.

Right Back - Zabaleta is the best right back in either squad, he's probably challenging Ivanovic for the best right back in the Premier League. Rafael would be a backup as we do lack quality depth at right back.

Left Back - A few years ago you'd have picked Evra, but he'll be 33 at the end of the season and isn't even close to being the player he was. City have 2 left back options, I'd have them both as the top 2 options here.

Centre Half - Kompany is a mile clear of anythign on offer here, there's not even a point discussing that. Alongside him it's a more open field, we've got Nastasic, Lescott and Demichelis, United have Smalling, Jones, Vidic, Evans and Ferdinand. Straight off the bat I'm ignoring Ferdinand, Demichelis, Lescott and Smalling, all 4 have issues, either age, quality, or both. I'd probably play Vidic alongside Kompany, with Nastasic and Jones as backup.

Midfield (defensive) - United's midfield is their weakest area, defensively you can't look past both Yaya Toure and Fernandinho as being a distance better than the other options.

Midfield (offensive) - Silva is the best option here, again without doubt. Nasri and Mata would be the next in line.

Midfield (wide) - United have more options here, as they play with a lot more width (hence the 81 crosses against Fulham) however Navas is probably the best option in either squad. Valencia has one move, Nani is inconsistent, Young just isn't very good. Januszaj might fit in here, but he's still young and needs to prove he can do it consistently. Milner is a solid, if unspectacular option, and is better defensively than the others.

Forward - United's one really area of quality with both Rooney and RVP, however it's City's strongest area too. For me Aguero is the best striker in either squad, and I'd probably partner him with Rooney. RVP and Negredo would be the other options.

So, in a 25 man squad, I'd have the following

Goalkeepers - Joe Hart, David De Gea, Costel Pantilimon
Defenders - Aleksandar Kolarov, Gael Clichy, Vincent Kompany, Nemanja Vidic, Pablo Zabaleta, Phil Jones, Jonny Evans, Matja Nastasic, Rafael.

Midfield - Yaya Toure, Fernandinho, David Silva, Juan Mata, Samir Nasri, Jesus Navas, James Milner, Nani, Michael Carrick.

Forward - Sergio Aguero, Wayne Rooney, Robin Van Persie, Alvaro Negredo.

Strongest lineup

GK - Hart/De Gea
RB - Zabaleta
CB - Kompany
CB - Vidic
LB - Kolarov
MD - Fernandinho
MD - Toure
MD - Silva
MD - Mata
ST - Aguero
ST - Rooney

Subs - Hart/De Gea, Clichy, Jones, Milner, Nasri, Van Persie, Negredo

So, as you can see, 3 (maybe 4) of the starting 11, and 5 of the strongest 18 match day squad, and 9 of the 25 man squad would be United players. It's also worth noting that some of those United players aded to the squad are debatable. You could argue for Lescott over Evans or Jovetic over Nani.

Excellent answer my only slight disagreement is regarding Navas and Fernadinho,havnt seen enough of them ,but it can't see them being that much better than Carrick in midfield or the 3 wide Utd players ,but overall I wasn't that far out.Good answer though.

Navas is definitely better than Young, Valencia and Nani, he's quicker than all 3 of them, and his delivery is good too. He creates a host of chances for his colleagues and is a lareg part of why we've scored so many goals this season. As for Fernandinho and Carrick, different types of player to be honest, but Fernandinho is a better defensive option, his movement, ability pick out the danger man early and workrate are excellent, he's not got the long passing that Carrick has (but we don't really play too many long passes anyway) but he's better moving with the ball, in terms of beating a man and his short passing is very accurate. The fact we're really missing him at the moment is testimony to how good he is.

 

[Stretford Ender]

Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion this is just barking.

Look at each position individually.

Goalkeeper - There's very little to chose between Hart and De Gea, they'd both make a 25 man Premier League squad for a "Manchester Football Club", who started would be a coin toss. As 3rd choice keeper I'd take Pantilimon over Lindegaard.

Right Back - Zabaleta is the best right back in either squad, he's probably challenging Ivanovic for the best right back in the Premier League. Rafael would be a backup as we do lack quality depth at right back.

Left Back - A few years ago you'd have picked Evra, but he'll be 33 at the end of the season and isn't even close to being the player he was. City have 2 left back options, I'd have them both as the top 2 options here.

Centre Half - Kompany is a mile clear of anythign on offer here, there's not even a point discussing that. Alongside him it's a more open field, we've got Nastasic, Lescott and Demichelis, United have Smalling, Jones, Vidic, Evans and Ferdinand. Straight off the bat I'm ignoring Ferdinand, Demichelis, Lescott and Smalling, all 4 have issues, either age, quality, or both. I'd probably play Vidic alongside Kompany, with Nastasic and Jones as backup.

Midfield (defensive) - United's midfield is their weakest area, defensively you can't look past both Yaya Toure and Fernandinho as being a distance better than the other options.

Midfield (offensive) - Silva is the best option here, again without doubt. Nasri and Mata would be the next in line.

Midfield (wide) - United have more options here, as they play with a lot more width (hence the 81 crosses against Fulham) however Navas is probably the best option in either squad. Valencia has one move, Nani is inconsistent, Young just isn't very good. Januszaj might fit in here, but he's still young and needs to prove he can do it consistently. Milner is a solid, if unspectacular option, and is better defensively than the others.

Forward - United's one really area of quality with both Rooney and RVP, however it's City's strongest area too. For me Aguero is the best striker in either squad, and I'd probably partner him with Rooney. RVP and Negredo would be the other options.

So, in a 25 man squad, I'd have the following

Goalkeepers - Joe Hart, David De Gea, Costel Pantilimon
Defenders - Aleksandar Kolarov, Gael Clichy, Vincent Kompany, Nemanja Vidic, Pablo Zabaleta, Phil Jones, Jonny Evans, Matja Nastasic, Rafael.

Midfield - Yaya Toure, Fernandinho, David Silva, Juan Mata, Samir Nasri, Jesus Navas, James Milner, Nani, Michael Carrick.

Forward - Sergio Aguero, Wayne Rooney, Robin Van Persie, Alvaro Negredo.

Strongest lineup

GK - Hart/De Gea
RB - Zabaleta
CB - Kompany
CB - Vidic
LB - Kolarov
MD - Fernandinho
MD - Toure
MD - Silva
MD - Mata
ST - Aguero
ST - Rooney

Subs - Hart/De Gea, Clichy, Jones, Milner, Nasri, Van Persie, Negredo

So, as you can see, 3 (maybe 4) of the starting 11, and 5 of the strongest 18 match day squad, and 9 of the 25 man squad would be United players. It's also worth noting that some of those United players aded to the squad are debatable. You could argue for Lescott over Evans or Jovetic over Nani.

Excellent answer my only slight disagreement is regarding Navas and Fernadinho,havnt seen enough of them ,but it can't see them being that much better than Carrick in midfield or the 3 wide Utd players ,but overall I wasn't that far out.Good answer though.

Navas is definitely better than Young, Valencia and Nani, he's quicker than all 3 of them, and his delivery is good too. He creates a host of chances for his colleagues and is a lareg part of why we've scored so many goals this season. As for Fernandinho and Carrick, different types of player to be honest, but Fernandinho is a better defensive option, his movement, ability pick out the danger man early and workrate are excellent, he's not got the long passing that Carrick has (but we don't really play too many long passes anyway) but he's better moving with the ball, in terms of beating a man and his short passing is very accurate. The fact we're really missing him at the moment is testimony to how good he is.

Fair enough I,ll take your word on those ,I ain't seen enough of them.Just on the wingers it's not their fault the chances they create are not leading to goals ,Valancia would be a threat if he played for City.
Enjoyed the banter ,have a nice evening.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Regarding the current crop of players or as they are still known Champions, the squad is as good as any in the Prem inc City,first eleven no,squad yes.
It's obvious the change of management hasn't gone down well with the experience players ,and it's looks like most of them will be off ski sooner than expected , but I,m sure they will purchase suitable replacements ,they have done in the past,so I can't see why that should change.

Let me tell you about this squad that is as good as any in the PL. Around Christmas time I was talking to a journalist who covers the Manchester clubs for one of the big papers. I've known this guy for some time and our families go back even further. Him (and some other journalists) had been briefed by club insiders about Moyes' plans for the squad. Of that established squad, there were 6 names considered not good enough.

Obviously Anderson was one, along with Valencia, Young & Nani. At the back Smalling and Jones were considered too limited and hadn't developed sufficiently. Moyes and Ferdinand don't speak after Rio lost his rag with Moyes, who told him he should aspire to be Phil Jagielka. Camelgob reeled off what he'd won and said to Moyes "Now - what the fuck have you & Phil Jagielka won?" In addition, Cleverley has been given another season to prove himself or he's out the door as well.

Of the new players Zaha simply didn't train well enough so they fucked him off and then there's Fellaini. When they train, they have two 'keep ball' circles with the technically better players in one and the others in the second. Fellaini apparently can't even reach the standard of the latter circle he is so poor technically. And that's what they paid £27.5m for (which is more than we paid for Silva, Nasri or Yaya). Evra would like to stay but there's no word one way or the other from the club.

So this squad now seems to consist of Rafael, Evans, Buttner, possibly Evra, Varela (who hasn't played), Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini, Cleverley (who's on a last chance), Kagawa, Mata, Rooney, Januzaj, Welbeck, Hernadez and RVP.

And of those, Kagawa, Hernandez and van Persie are very unhappy, particularly the latter. That's your squad of "champions".

This just shows the lack of class and professionalism that Moyes has. A manager should not be briefing journalist information like that and either should the club. It should all be kept in house.

That's not the way things work though in practice. For years, politicians have leaked stuff and briefed journalists to ensure various outcomes, be that trailing policy announcements, talking themselves up or sticking the knife in their enemies.

From a football club's point of view, they manage the media for various reasons. In this case, it sets the agenda for a clear-out and prepares the fans so that they expect it when it actually happens. It also protects Moyes' back to a degree as it tries to imply that he's inherited a squad that isn't good enough and that's why it's underperforming. And mostly people have bought that, with very few questioning the fact it's the same squad that won the title last season. And the media tend to run this stuff because they know that if they play ball, they'll get more good stuff. No one actually reported it like that. some names were mentioned, such as Nani and Young but they weren't exactly surprises.

I know that, at City for example, we had to sell SWP in 2005 as he was the only saleable asset we had and we were skint. Almost as soon as the 2004/5 season drew to a close, the stories started about Chelsea's interest. These came from the club, in order to prepare the ground for his sale so by the time it happened, most fans were expecting it. I believe they were also briefing that he'd been advised to move by his dad. I'm no fan of Ian Wright but he was actaully telling him to stay another season so he's be sure of getting in the World Cup squad.

Something else they used to do was that any story involving the then CEO, had the words "...highly regarded Chief Executive...". This was to build uop his image in the press as he knew Thaksin wanted rid of him. This also led to loads of stories disparaging Thaksin.

 

[manimanc]

Utd don't buy success don't forget. ..
They tell us and everybody that they bring youth through...
The utd way is homegrown players coming through the system. ...
So could our resident armchair rag explain why utd are willing to spend between £100-£200 million on players?
I'm all ears as you lot have slagged us and chelsea off for doing it the "wrong way"

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

If they lose to Arsenal, he's gone.

If they beat Arsenal, he's helped City in our title push.

He's fucked eitherway :-)

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

If they lose to Arsenal, he's gone.

I very much doubt it.
They will give him the rest of the season and then see who is up for the gig once they have guaranteed a Europa League place.
And then realise most decent managers would rather flog the Big Issue, or sell their arse on Sackville Street, and end up with Tony Pulis.

 

[inchy14]

Just been sent this by a rag collegue

To the tune of Old McDonald.


With a cross cross here
And a cross cross there
Here a cross
There a cross
Everywhere a cross cross
Old McGollum has no clue
E I E I GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I can see gollum throwing in his chips

 

[moomba]

Janet jazz jazz jam has a certain ring to it.

 

[ewok]

Regarding the current crop of players or as they are still known Champions, the squad is as good as any in the Prem inc City,first eleven no,squad yes.
It's obvious the change of management hasn't gone down well with the experience players ,and it's looks like most of them will be off ski sooner than expected , but I,m sure they will purchase suitable replacements ,they have done in the past,so I can't see why that should change.

Let me tell you about this squad that is as good as any in the PL. Around Christmas time I was talking to a journalist who covers the Manchester clubs for one of the big papers. I've known this guy for some time and our families go back even further. Him (and some other journalists) had been briefed by club insiders about Moyes' plans for the squad. Of that established squad, there were 6 names considered not good enough.

Obviously Anderson was one, along with Valencia, Young & Nani. At the back Smalling and Jones were considered too limited and hadn't developed sufficiently. Moyes and Ferdinand don't speak after Rio lost his rag with Moyes, who told him he should aspire to be Phil Jagielka. Camelgob reeled off what he'd won and said to Moyes "Now - what the fuck have you & Phil Jagielka won?" In addition, Cleverley has been given another season to prove himself or he's out the door as well.

Of the new players Zaha simply didn't train well enough so they fucked him off and then there's Fellaini. When they train, they have two 'keep ball' circles with the technically better players in one and the others in the second. Fellaini apparently can't even reach the standard of the latter circle he is so poor technically. And that's what they paid £27.5m for (which is more than we paid for Silva, Nasri or Yaya). Evra would like to stay but there's no word one way or the other from the club.

So this squad now seems to consist of Rafael, Evans, Buttner, possibly Evra, Varela (who hasn't played), Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini, Cleverley (who's on a last chance), Kagawa, Mata, Rooney, Januzaj, Welbeck, Hernadez and RVP.

And of those, Kagawa, Hernandez and van Persie are very unhappy, particularly the latter. That's your squad of "champions".

Nice post, very informative as per usual.

I'm curious to hear what you think will happen to Moyes? Do you think he'll get these two years a majority seem to think he's guaranteed? Struggle to see it myself as I can't see the Glazers being all sentimental and allowing him to continue to do the job as bad as he has so far.

 

[mc_red23]

Makes me piss that should United sack him that they will have to pay him for the remaining 4 years of his contract which I highly doubt will come cheap. He certainly won't be looking to quit the job that's for sure. The media's second darling won't want to be seen as a quitter, especially when he's looking at a potential huge kitty come the summer.

I will have to question the sanity of the execs at United should they fail to even consider replacing Gollum. They certainly won't be able to afford to blow their kitty on players likes Fellaini. Can't imagine what world class players could be persuaded to join a team that isn't in the Champions League or at least a team that has such a boring style of play under Moyes.

 

[jimharri]

None the less the same squad are current champions,only Anderson has left as yet.Most of them would get into City's squad,some of them in the City's first eleven ARGUABLY depending ,RVP ,Rooney,Evans ,Jones,Nani ( on form) De Gea,Kagawa,Fellani,Mata ,Evra even Smalling Welbeck and Carrick.