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stony said:
Tbf stony, there seems to be a fair few on here aswell.
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Tbf stony, there seems to be a fair few on here aswell.
Carrick is seriously overrated. Barry got slated for not being mobile, what does that make Carrick? He shined last season because he was their only decent midfielder. He retains the ball well but not a threat. Dembele ran the show against him last night.
There is a reason he doesn't play for England.
There is a reason he doesn't play for England.
13/05/12 said:
He's a good player, but any player who plays for the rags is immediately overrated by both the media and their fans. Just look at the press saying Welbeck is better than Sturridge and one of the greatest young talents in the game. Their fans are being fed a constant stream of PR bullshit from both their own club and the media. The rage hordes lap it up, hence the deluded fuckwits on redcafe who "wouldn't swap Carrick for Yaya" and think Cleverly is the new Zidane, Jones the new Duncan Edwards(even though most of them have never seen him play) and jizzjazz is new Messiah.
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blue underpants said:
did he call that twitchy faced twat Aubrey
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The Carrick and Barry comparison is a very good one. Though instead of both being overrated they are both underrated. Barry and Carrick are very similar players: roughly the same age, both good at passing, play defensive midfield, tall not the most mobile and read the game very well. You guys came 2nd last year with Barry starting. Carrick is a little bit ahead of Barry, because he reads the game that little bit better and has a better range of passing.13/05/12 said:
Barry in the end needed to be upgraded due to his faults. He did not want to be a squad player and left. You have now seen what a better player like Fernandinho can do. At the same time Barry has been the best player at Everton this season. He is getting rave reviews and is up there for signing of the season. Everton are fifth. A first team regular at a club challenging for the title, deemed not good enough, is usually good enough to be a star at a top 5-7 team.
Yesterday was his second game back from injury and he was not match fit. Hardly the game to judge him on. As for playing for England, that's a weak argument. I don't think there's any need to go into how players get into their national teams.
supercrystal7 said:
Carrick is not mobile enough if you want to compete in European honours. He's fine in this current squad which is average, if you sign some athletic modern midfielders you'll see a difference. Carrick is a good passer of the ball but his all round game is average. Fletcher in his peak is a better player than Carrick
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I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion, it was very much a poisoned chalice.supercrystal7 said:
Firstly after taking everton's manager, a team/manager who finished 6th, some 26 points behind united, scoring 31 goals less in the process. They had a whole summer to improve things, and yet they now find everton, also with a new manager who didn't add much to their squad, 4 points and 2 places better off. Moyes and Martinez had pretty well the same amount of time to strengthen, but its united under Moyes who are behind, so is this purely his fault, or was it actually down to the respective squads ?
united may have won the title last year by a distance, but they weren't very good doing so, ferguson made the sum of the parts far greater than the individual parts themselves, driven on by his own "not in my lifetime" jibe at City, that backfired in the most spectacular style in May 2012. This gave him the determination to take the title back one more time, and without RVP, I very much doubt they would have done so, but RVP was already getting on, and not always in reliable fitness. It was a signing purely for the short term, with one goal only, beat City, most unlike ferguson in fact, it was a gamble that worked, allowing him to go out at the top, but it papered over many other cracks. Like him or not, once he'd finally gone, they were in serious trouble, no matter who they brought in as manager, perhaps a Mourinho may have worked for another year, though I doubt it without serious cash.
BUT and this is key, he left them with a sub standard squad, many a year further past their sell by date, who had only known one boss, and one way. Bringing back Scholes, and relying on Giggs, and an already broken Ferdinand, were poor decisions, and it has left Moyes with a huge mess to sort out. They need a complete refit for me, and if they finish outside the top, as looks likely right now, that is going to have to be done much lower budget, and longer term.
The reason they are in the mess they are is ferguson taking the short cut back to the top for his own personal reasons, not those of the club, he has left them with an average ageing squad.
Good, many of us are loving it.
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blue underpants said:
Wait a minute, three of them trying to tell Malcolm to get his hand in his pocket. I'm confused.
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