United thread 2013/14

[aguero93:20]

Some financial analysis from the Guardian here:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jan/14/manchester-united-share-price-david-moyes-premier-league?CMP=twt_gu&commentpage=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... mentpage=1</a>

Having fun WUMming in the comments too :)


Edit: just come across this too via the comments section: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2521621/The-22m-football-bet-Hedge-fund-guru-Crispin-Odey-shorts-Manchester-United-shares.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mark ... hares.html</a>

Anyone with a bit more financial acumen than me got any more info on this?

enjoyed the comments mate, its always lovely when you get a biter like that one as well!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Some financial analysis from the Guardian here:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jan/14/manchester-united-share-price-david-moyes-premier-league?CMP=twt_gu&commentpage=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... mentpage=1</a>

Having fun WUMming in the comments too :)


Edit: just come across this too via the comments section: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2521621/The-22m-football-bet-Hedge-fund-guru-Crispin-Odey-shorts-Manchester-United-shares.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mark ... hares.html</a>

Anyone with a bit more financial acumen than me got any more info on this?

What he's done is sell shares he hasn't got (basically that he's borrowed) in the expectation that he can buy those back at a lower price later on, thereby making a profit. He's gambling on the price going down and he that he will be able to do that. If it goes up, then it costs him money.

It's like one of us agreeing to sell a match ticket to someone for £50 then trying to buy one for less money before you have to give it to the buyer. If you buy one for £35, you're in profit. If you have to pay £55 then you've lost a fiver.

Could you explain the maths.

Not sure if serious. Never know with you. ;-)

 

[andyhinch]

What he's done is sell shares he hasn't got (basically that he's borrowed) in the expectation that he can buy those back at a lower price later on, thereby making a profit. He's gambling on the price going down and he that he will be able to do that. If it goes up, then it costs him money.

It's like one of us agreeing to sell a match ticket to someone for £50 then trying to buy one for less money before you have to give it to the buyer. If you buy one for £35, you're in profit. If you have to pay £55 then you've lost a fiver.

Could you explain the maths.

Not sure if serious. Never know with you. ;-)

I didn't do well on the IQ test:) all this adding and subtracting, it's like rocket science.

 

[samharris]

Yeah, I think we seem to be forgetting that Spurs signed a lot of very good players in the summer and that was without having CL football so it is entirely possible that United could attract similar quality players if they don't get top 4 either. The burning question though is just how big a spend are the Glazers prepared to sanction? As you say, moving on some ageing high earners will create a fair bit of extra space in their budget regardless. And if the clearout extends to, say, 7 or 8 players, then there will be plenty of scope for freshening up their squad. Hopefully they screw the opportunity up and spend a shed load of money on mediocre players!

Don't forget that Spurs only spent the Gareth Bale money - nothing else. They also do have an owner with pretty deep pockets and plenty of cash.
The rags have neither.

United will have the Rooney money though.

But will it buy a Rooney player!!

 

[jrb]

Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?

Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.

 

[aguero93:20]

Don't forget that Spurs only spent the Gareth Bale money - nothing else. They also do have an owner with pretty deep pockets and plenty of cash.
The rags have neither.

United will have the Rooney money though.

But will it buy a Rooney player!!

come on Sam, all the players they're getting in are world class! not singing from the hymn sheet here ;)<br /><br />-- Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:49 pm --<br /><br />

Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?

Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.

if there is going to be a big fall in price, it will be because they've failed to secure champions league football and revenue for 2014/15.

 

[samharris]

United will have the Rooney money though.

But will it buy a Rooney player!!

come on Sam, all the players they're getting in are world class! not singing from the hymn sheet here ;)
-- Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:49 pm --

Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?

Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.

if there is going to be a big fall in price, it will be because they've failed to secure champions league football and revenue for 2014/15.

My bad..its the naughty stair for me..

 

[laserblue]

Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?

Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.

A point to bear in mind is that Wall Street stocks in general have been doing well over the last several months. I have shares in NASDAQ listed companies and they're doing very nicely thank you. In the meanwhile the rags' share price continues to fall and Wall Street analysts believe it will fall further. All of this scuppers the Glazers' stated intention a few months ago of floating another $400 millions worth of shares on the market. Their problem is that if the share price is falling at this rate as investors bale out, who's going to buy another wedge of them? Plus of course, the lower the price falls the more shares they'd have to float to pocket $400 million.

 

[aguero93:20]

Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?

Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.

A point to bear in mind is that Wall Street stocks in general have been doing well over the last several months. I have shares in NASDAQ listed companies and they're doing very nicely thank you. In the meanwhile the rags' share price continues to fall and Wall Street analysts believe it will fall further. All of this scuppers the Glazers' stated intention a few months ago of floating another $400 millions worth of shares on the market. Their problem is that if the share price is falling at this rate as investors bale out, who's going to buy another wedge of them? Plus of course, the lower the price falls the more shares they'd have to float to pocket $400 million.

yet at the same time they blame market conditions for any fall in their shares and our brave media fail to call them out on it.

 

[samharris]

Right then..back to the real world!!!

Hands up all those who think united are a bunch a **** s..

 

[aguero93:20]

Right then..back to the real world!!!

Hands up all those who think united are a bunch a **** s..

I think they're quite nice actually :) providing us with all this free entertainment.

 

[andyhinch]

Right then..back to the real world!!!

Hands up all those who think united are a bunch a **** s..

We know that and according to PB they owe someone a fiver I think.

 

[Daz_Blue]

David Moyes meets Juve chief as United plot sensational double raid for midfield pair >>>
According to John Edwards (dailymail)

"David Moyes has held talks with Juventus’s chief transfer negotiator after planning a bold double move for Paul Pogba and Arturo Vidal.

The Manchester United manager met boardroom boss Beppe Marotta after Juventus’s game at Cagliari on Sunday and discussed the possibility of signing either, or both, of his top two targets."
More here: Read more at the Daily Mail ›

This move would be seen as a massive statement of intent from the Premier League title holders, one that they perhaps feel they need to make in view of the distinctly average season they have had thus far this term.

Another 2 to add to their supposed targets

 

[lust overlord]

I'm waiting for them to be linked with Messi.

 

[The Flash]

David Moyes meets Juve chief as United plot sensational double raid for midfield pair >>>
According to John Edwards (dailymail)

"David Moyes has held talks with Juventus’s chief transfer negotiator after planning a bold double move for Paul Pogba and Arturo Vidal.

The Manchester United manager met boardroom boss Beppe Marotta after Juventus’s game at Cagliari on Sunday and discussed the possibility of signing either, or both, of his top two targets."
More here: Read more at the Daily Mail ›

This move would be seen as a massive statement of intent from the Premier League title holders, one that they perhaps feel they need to make in view of the distinctly average season they have had thus far this term.

Another 2 to add to their supposed targets

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! WTF?????? So Pogba is heading back to OT after walking out on a free?

Daily Mail is full of shit.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Right then..back to the real world!!!

Hands up all those who think united are a bunch a **** s..

you cant see, but i have my hand up,


no, im not telling you what i`ve got it up

 

[mcmanus]

Right then..back to the real world!!!

Hands up all those who think united are a bunch a **** s..

I'm in.

 

[samharris]

1 Juventus 19 52
2 Roma 19 44
3 Napoli 19 42
4 Fiorentina 19 37
5 Inter Milan 19 32
6 Verona 19 32
7 Torino 19 26
8 Parma 19 26
9 Lazio 19 24
10 Genoa 19 23


So juventus are in top spot by 8 places and agent moyes want to take two key players??

Now is it me or are Juventus fookin stupid for entertaining any idea of this or is Moyes fookin stupid to even think they would??
Or am I the fookin stupid one for posting this post..

At a guess..all three.

 

[Rammyblues]

If Juventus even hint that they are willing to sell Vidal the worlds elite will be after him, but I suppose if he does go elsewhere at least Moyes can say we were after him and tried to sign him.

 

[The Flash]

1 Juventus 19 52
2 Roma 19 44
3 Napoli 19 42
4 Fiorentina 19 37
5 Inter Milan 19 32
6 Verona 19 32
7 Torino 19 26
8 Parma 19 26
9 Lazio 19 24
10 Genoa 19 23


So juventus are in top spot by 8 places and agent moyes want to take two key players??

Now is it me or are Juventus fookin stupid for entertaining any idea of this or is Moyes fookin stupid to even think they would??

Or is the Daily Fail making shit up to sell to it's gullible readership?