United thread 2013/14

[Bilboblue]

The ridiculous thing is I imagine most managers in the league could manage United to 4th.

In all honesty if they just played Kagawa behind a striker and hit less hopeful crosses they'd do twice as well.

As for 200m to spend?
After losing 200m in value?

You would honestly be insane to imagine that glazers will contemplate a 400m deficit for wee Davey.

Sack him for 30m and you'd probably gain that back in a week through relieved investors.

Their midfield is not good enough to control the ball and hold it enough to get it to Kagawa.

Kagawa is an excellent player, he really must be wondering what he has done leaving Dortmund to go to them.

I just cannot see any top class players wanting to go there right now, especially in January. Possibly even in the summer depending on their final league position.

 

[danebanksheik]

JOYOUS NEWS

Sack Moyes? It may have been ludicrous to appoint him at Old Trafford but don't be ridiculous... he has the fans' backing
By SCOTT PATTERSON, REPUBLIK OF MANCUNIA
PUBLISHED: 19:00, 6 January 2014 | UPDATED: 20:10, 6 January 2014

Sportsmail asked Manchester United fans' blog Republik Of Mancunia to give their opinion on David Moyes' struggles at Old Trafford. Scott Patterson discusses whether Moyes should stay or go and if he still has the backing of the supporters.

When Sir Alex Ferguson got the Manchester United job we were in the relegation zone, yet the calibre of manager we required was one that had won league titles and European trophies. For David Moyes to replace Ferguson as manager of the champions, despite never having won something, was fairly ludicrous.
However, the decision has been made now, and it is unfair for people to keep prattling on about how Moyes has inherited the champions and turned them in to a midtable club. This squad isn’t good enough and the investment the likes of Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs made in the summer ensured they had a better team than United.
Robin van Persie and Michael Carrick were United’s most important players last season, both shortlisted in the six candidates for PFA Player of the Year, but have missed most of the season. Whilst it’s likely United would be in a better position than they currently are if Ferguson was still in charge, we probably would only be scraping top four.
Moyes isn’t as good as Ferguson, nobody is, so to berate Moyes for doing badly with a squad most managers would struggle with, when competing for top honours, is daft.
Sack the manager? Don’t be ridiculous. The problem at United is Ed Woodward’s monumental mess up in the summer which saw Moyes hung out to dry before he had even begun. It is that incompetence which may have set United back years.
If we could replace Moyes with a world class manager, a Guardiola or a Mourinho, then you’d see some sense in sacking him. But there’s a reason the Glazers didn’t go for a manager like this, who is accustomed to having an open cheque book in order to succeed, and that is their reluctance to dip in to the transfer market.

Our net spend over the past five years is just £2m more a season than Stoke City's and £3m more a season than Aston Villa's. Moyes is happy to work within these parameters, but one of Europe’s finest won’t be.
Still, we can’t go on like this forever, and four home defeats from six is a shocking reality for United fans. We would have to reach a point where the board said enough was enough. Supporting the manager blindly isn’t the answer here. But at this stage, Moyes hasn’t had enough time or financial support to know whether these past few months is a genuine reflection of what he is capable of.

Every week the fans sing Moyes’ name though, both home and away, so that should give some indication of how match-going reds feel at the moment. If it continues to get worse over the next month or two, that support will dwindle, but for now, he has our backing.


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[bluethrunthru]

They're having a sacked or stay poll on the caf. Currently 78.9% of them want him to stay. Lying *****. If he was sacked tomorrow they'd breathe a huge sigh of relief. They just don't want to be labelled the same as the fans of other clubs. Same as the Scousers with woy, they had the same high opinion of themselves. Well the Scousers soon started panicking and making excuses for the reasons he should be sacked, and it won't be long before the rags start twitching too.

The moral high ground looks much better from just below mid table then?????

 

[aguero93:20]

singing his name? is that before they leg it early or after?

 

[Malty]

Anyone think Wayne **** Rooney has the RAG's by the balls? his contract is running down and he is there best player in a disastrous season.. he can practically ask for what he wants and the RAG's have to pay it LOL I hope he takes them to the cleaners with his last big fat cat contract in football.

 

[NQCitizen]

Anyone think Wayne **** Rooney has the RAG's by the balls? his contract is running down and he is there best player in a disastrous season.. he can practically ask for what he wants and the RAG's have to pay it LOL I hope he takes them to the cleaners with his last big fat cat contract in football.

Without Rooney they could create a fairly functional stable team without the ludicrous ego (if rio and rvp are similarly absent). He plays wherever on the pitch he wants, does what he wants, earns what he wants.

I don't think he's been at the top level for years yet he's been talked into a talisman.

Ferguson and Rooney are essentially the architects of United's demise, Moyes is just an extremely efficiently shit builder of it.

 

[Pokes28]

I have a question and it is really something that I'm sure is a "newbie" question. I'm a fan and I am very comfortable with what I see on the pitch as I played for 23 seasons as a kid/teenager, but there are a lot of general off field things that I don't have a full grasp on. I hear commentary on Sirius/XM FC (soccer satellite radio here in the States) or during the match broadcasts and it gets me to thinking. I don't have anybody that has the knowledge that most of the folks on this forum have as a result of growing up with the sport.

As a City fan that loves to see the floundering of the Rags, what is the overall best desired result for the season? Would it be a total collapse that would result in Moyes being sacked and the team being retooled in the Summer? That would mean no CL and no Europa League. Or would it be better to see Man U lose soon in CL, lose in the Capital One Cup, and then finish 5th in the EPL? That would put them in Europa and probably save Moyes for at least one more season and probably cause them to evaluate their roster though they wouldn't really go crazy as they would feel that they were really pretty close with their current staff.

I'm thinking a 5th place finish would be the best result. Europa sucks as it forces the teams to play on Thursdays which would further hurt them in the EPL next season. They would have a lot of added pressure and would very likely push back them doing what they would really need to do to fix their problems and extend their agony.

Do I have this right or is it best to just continue to love their downfall and hope they finish as far down the table as possible?

David Harrell

 

[LoveCity]

JOYOUS NEWS

Sack Moyes? It may have been ludicrous to appoint him at Old Trafford but don't be ridiculous... he has the fans' backing
By SCOTT PATTERSON, REPUBLIK OF MANCUNIA
PUBLISHED: 19:00, 6 January 2014 | UPDATED: 20:10, 6 January 2014

Sportsmail asked Manchester United fans' blog Republik Of Mancunia to give their opinion on David Moyes' struggles at Old Trafford. Scott Patterson discusses whether Moyes should stay or go and if he still has the backing of the supporters.

When Sir Alex Ferguson got the Manchester United job we were in the relegation zone, yet the calibre of manager we required was one that had won league titles and European trophies. For David Moyes to replace Ferguson as manager of the champions, despite never having won something, was fairly ludicrous.
However, the decision has been made now, and it is unfair for people to keep prattling on about how Moyes has inherited the champions and turned them in to a midtable club. This squad isn’t good enough and the investment the likes of Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs made in the summer ensured they had a better team than United.
Robin van Persie and Michael Carrick were United’s most important players last season, both shortlisted in the six candidates for PFA Player of the Year, but have missed most of the season. Whilst it’s likely United would be in a better position than they currently are if Ferguson was still in charge, we probably would only be scraping top four.
Moyes isn’t as good as Ferguson, nobody is, so to berate Moyes for doing badly with a squad most managers would struggle with, when competing for top honours, is daft.
Sack the manager? Don’t be ridiculous. The problem at United is Ed Woodward’s monumental mess up in the summer which saw Moyes hung out to dry before he had even begun. It is that incompetence which may have set United back years.
If we could replace Moyes with a world class manager, a Guardiola or a Mourinho, then you’d see some sense in sacking him. But there’s a reason the Glazers didn’t go for a manager like this, who is accustomed to having an open cheque book in order to succeed, and that is their reluctance to dip in to the transfer market.

Our net spend over the past five years is just £2m more a season than Stoke City's and £3m more a season than Aston Villa's. Moyes is happy to work within these parameters, but one of Europe’s finest won’t be.
Still, we can’t go on like this forever, and four home defeats from six is a shocking reality for United fans. We would have to reach a point where the board said enough was enough. Supporting the manager blindly isn’t the answer here. But at this stage, Moyes hasn’t had enough time or financial support to know whether these past few months is a genuine reflection of what he is capable of.

Every week the fans sing Moyes’ name though, both home and away, so that should give some indication of how match-going reds feel at the moment. If it continues to get worse over the next month or two, that support will dwindle, but for now, he has our backing.

Christ, Scott the Red is writing for the Daily Mail now? The most bitter red of them all. Makes sense though, given the Mail's red leanings over the years.

Nice to see him completely ignore the large booing at full-time yesterday, making it sound like "match-going reds" all support Moyes.

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[TonyM]

I'm sure Moyes was chosen partly for his ability to not spend excessively but surely they knew Moyes needed to spend big to replace an aging squad if not why does Edwards get the blame).

My belief though is that more than that they believed Moyes was a Ferguson Lite. He is an effin hateful dickhead so they got that part right but he's also a very limited manager. I never understood the praise he got. He got a few good results here and there but no real forward momentum. He will never do well at United imo, no matter how much they spend. He'll do about as well as Hughes did for us. I'd doubt if he'll do well anywhere else either once he's out in the wilderness. IMO it's like Hughes leaving Blackburn. Endless draws await.

 

[paulchapo]

The rags got away with it last season.We were suffering a hangover from winning the league the previous season and Arsenal and Chelsea weren't at the races either.Almost every deflection,ref decison and slice of luck fell their way.In most games they weren't great but they scraped a win.Fergiescum knew it the season before but he also knew, with his experiance, that we would be a bit flat the next season after winning the title.He also knew if he got Van Persie he could reclaim it back which they did and go out on a high.

He also knew he had an ageing squad,which included himself and we were only going to get stronger.Even if he would have stayed they wouldn't be much better than they are now.His and the boards biggest mistake was picking Moyes and not Martinez.A mistake so glaringly obvious i am amazed they missed it.Both young managers who had ''Over achieved' at smaller clubs with less funds[Sorry Everton but it is true these days] but only one played the sort of football United supposedly are renowned for and it wasn't Moyes.

Moyes is their Mark Hughes.The brightest young British manager out there,or someone who had found his level over achieving at a smaller club and who would be out of his depth at a bigger high profile club?I think we know the answer now,even though it is early days.