United Thread 2014/15 (continued)

[mancitymick]

ragmanc34 - Bet logging onto Bluemoon is the first thing you thought of this morning !!

 

[M18CTID]

Redmanc , you claim to come from a area of Manchester which is 80% blue and you have many relatives who are blue , yet according to you neither the last minute league win or the 6 1 thrashing at the swamp hurt as much as the Dippers beating you , all i can say Redmanc is either your a delusional liar or the blues in your neighbourhood and the blues in your family really need to hang their heads in shame for not making your life hell for the last few years .
Obviously losing to a team 35 miles away whos supporters you rarely come across on a daily basis is a 1000 times worse than losing to your nearest neighbours , especially when supposedly 80% of the locality where you live and most of your relatives support the team youve lost to and will go out of their way to never let you forget it , you either have an incredibly thick skin , an almost pathalogical hatred of the scousers or you are delusional . maybe its all three

To be fair, out of all of my United supporting mates, there isn't one who'd choose a defeat to Liverpool over a defeat to City.

Not a single one.

Now over time, if you happen to keep winning trophies, mainly at the expense of United, whilst Liverpool continue to win fuck all, then that may change. But I dont think it will. They absolutely detest them.

Yeah United fans say this but again, it's not about what you say, it's what you do.

United fans are always miles happier after beating City than beating Liverpool and always on a way bigger downer when they lose to City as well. Their celebrations/reactions to beating City 4-2 the other week were miles more profound than when they beat Liverpool recently.

Fergie even played his strongest 11 in a league cup semi game against us with players like Giggs starting in the competition for the first time in a decade. They then reverted to a reserve side for the final against Villa. In addition to this, there was a game at Anfield where he rested a couple of big players so they would be fit for the game against City shortly after.

A rag mate of mine made a conscious effort to tell me Liverpool would always be their biggest rivals. I started to agree with him and just go along with it and I could see him getting more and more agitated that it wasn't winding me up. He clearly just wanted to degrade City, which is their entire gimmick.

I think some of it depends on where the United fans are from. If they don't live in or near Manchester then they will not come across too many City fans and are likely to know more Liverpool fans so in that sense I can understand why they may hate Liverpool more. It becomes more murky when you get to those United fans who live more locally - the ones I know tend to hate Liverpool but they hate us as well and no-one gets on their tits as much as the blues they know because no matter how well or how badly we've done down the years we've never gone into hiding. When United won the league at 'Boro in 1996 and City were relegated against Liverpool on the same day we turned up at our local after the match and pissed all over their title celebrations by outsinging the fuckers all night.

I must say that many of them preferred City over Liverpool for the league last season but that doesn't even begin to tell the full story. I think it was less palatable for them to see Liverpool win it for 2 reasons and neither of them are to do with hating Liverpool more. Firstly, City had just won the league a couple of seasons before in the most dramatic of fashions and at their expense and us winning it again, although not a nice thing for them, wouldn't have been anywhere near as painful plus United weren't even in the running this time. Secondly, and I think this is a huge factor, Liverpool winning it would've sparked off the mother of all wankfests in the media and they'd have been going on about it for weeks on end whereas us winning it would've seen us get the usual plaudits but after a couple of days it would've died down. United fans would've found this unbearable but they weren't the only ones - even us City fans began to see how unbearable it might've been as Liverpool chalked up win after win and the media hype was ramped up more and more after each game. With Brenda going on about "doing it for the 96" ad nauseum and Liverpool fans greeting the team coach before every home game and acting like they's already won the title, it all added to the hyperbole and it eventually got to the stage where neutrals with no vested interest in the title race were praying for Liverpool to fuck it up.

So to sum up, it's not an exact science regarding United fans and who they hate more out of us and Liverpool but one thing is for certain - any avid United fan living in and around Manchester that claims they're not bothered when City win trophies or derbies is talking complete and utter bollocks.

 

[redmanc34]

Redmanc , you claim to come from a area of Manchester which is 80% blue and you have many relatives who are blue , yet according to you neither the last minute league win or the 6 1 thrashing at the swamp hurt as much as the Dippers beating you , all i can say Redmanc is either your a delusional liar or the blues in your neighbourhood and the blues in your family really need to hang their heads in shame for not making your life hell for the last few years .
Obviously losing to a team 35 miles away whos supporters you rarely come across on a daily basis is a 1000 times worse than losing to your nearest neighbours , especially when supposedly 80% of the locality where you live and most of your relatives support the team youve lost to and will go out of their way to never let you forget it , you either have an incredibly thick skin , an almost pathalogical hatred of the scousers or you are delusional . maybe its all three

Not at all, a lot of the derbys at Old Trafford I usually go to with my City mates, and then we met up again after the game. It's gutting losing, but they're my best mates and the people I socialise with the most, plus the fact that we have dominated the past say 20 years in Manchester, i'm enough of a realist to know all good things come to an end and that United will come to the end of its cycle eventually. So I can handle losing. And I suppose it's not as bad losing that crown to your mates as it is to the mickeys. Seeing as though I hate everything about their club. Personally I don't hate City, I have no reason to. Whereas I hate Liverpool and everything they stand for. You say our fans our delusional for apparently celebrating at Sunderland, butr hey were celebrating winning the league selling t-shirts, planning open top bus parades and that at the end of fucking March last season, and it was absolutely hilarious to watch them crash and burn and watch you take the title. Whereas if that had been the other way around and they'd won the league, for me it'd be gutting. Maybe it's also because Fergie did what he did and we overtook them for titles, took him 25 years to do that, if they'd won the league last year, all the last 25 years would have been undone. You're 17 titles behind us, and realistically you won't win 17 on the bounce so maybe again that's another reason why I hate the mickeys more, cos they could overtake us again if they had a good 5-7 years, whereas you're gonna need a good 20-25 years of us winning nothing and you battling it out with everyone other than United to become a more succesful domestic club than us. Again maybe thats the reason I don't hate City. I also respect your club, and your fans, cos of how you got 34,000 week in week out at Maine Road in Div 2. For someone like myself who is a proud Manc I hate seeing all local teams doing shit, and that includes City. I think the thing with the mickeys is the media as well, which you'll probably think is ironic, but last seasons title race, the coverage of it was a joke, Sky, and Tyler clearly wanted them fuckers to win it, they always do, all ex-Liverpool in the media 9 times out of 10, so it's class to see them fail. Attitudes like that in the media turned me into a City fan for the last 6-7 games of last season. Was proper relieved when you beat Villa.

 

[redmanc34]

To be fair, out of all of my United supporting mates, there isn't one who'd choose a defeat to Liverpool over a defeat to City.

Not a single one.

Now over time, if you happen to keep winning trophies, mainly at the expense of United, whilst Liverpool continue to win fuck all, then that may change. But I dont think it will. They absolutely detest them.

Yeah United fans say this but again, it's not about what you say, it's what you do.

United fans are always miles happier after beating City than beating Liverpool and always on a way bigger downer when they lose to City as well. Their celebrations/reactions to beating City 4-2 the other week were miles more profound than when they beat Liverpool recently.

Fergie even played his strongest 11 in a league cup semi game against us with players like Giggs starting in the competition for the first time in a decade. They then reverted to a reserve side for the final against Villa. In addition to this, there was a game at Anfield where he rested a couple of big players so they would be fit for the game against City shortly after.

A rag mate of mine made a conscious effort to tell me Liverpool would always be their biggest rivals. I started to agree with him and just go along with it and I could see him getting more and more agitated that it wasn't winding me up. He clearly just wanted to degrade City, which is their entire gimmick.

I think some of it depends on where the United fans are from. If they don't live in or near Manchester then they will not come across too many City fans and are likely to know more Liverpool fans so in that sense I can understand why they may hate Liverpool more. It becomes more murky when you get to those United fans who live more locally - the ones I know tend to hate Liverpool but they hate us as well and no-one gets on their tits as much as the blues they know because no matter how well or how badly we've done down the years we've never gone into hiding. When United won the league at 'Boro in 1996 and City were relegated against Liverpool on the same day we turned up at our local after the match and pissed all over their title celebrations by outsinging the fuckers all night.

I must say that many of them preferred City over Liverpool for the league last season but that doesn't even begin to tell the full story. I think it was less palatable for them to see Liverpool win it for 2 reasons and neither of them are to do with hating Liverpool more. Firstly, City had just won the league a couple of seasons before in the most dramatic of fashions and at their expense and us winning it again, although not a nice thing for them, wouldn't have been anywhere near as painful plus United weren't even in the running this time. Secondly, and I think this is a huge factor, Liverpool winning it would've sparked off the mother of all wankfests in the media and they'd have been going on about it for weeks on end whereas us winning it would've seen us get the usual plaudits but after a couple of days it would've died down. United fans would've found this unbearable but they weren't the only ones - even us City fans began to see how unbearable it might've been as Liverpool chalked up win after win and the media hype was ramped up more and more after each game. With Brenda going on about "doing it for the 96" ad nauseum and Liverpool fans greeting the team coach before every home game and acting like they's already won the title, it all added to the hyperbole and it eventually got to the stage where neutrals with no vested interest in the title race were praying for Liverpool to fuck it up.

So to sum up, it's not an exact science regarding United fans and who they hate more out of us and Liverpool but one thing is for certain - any avid United fan living in and around Manchester that claims they're not bothered when City win trophies or derbies is talking complete and utter bollocks.

That second paragraph there is basically spot on. There's always a wankfest over them twats anyway though. I said it hurts losing to you, but not as much as losing to them. Which was my point. You winning the league last season was a relief more than anything, it wasn't unbearable, whereas them winning it would be.

 

[redmanc34]

ragmanc34 - Bet logging onto Bluemoon is the first thing you thought of this morning !!

It was mate, i enjoy the debates. No point joining a Red forum is there where nobody is gonna have a debate

 

[jonmcity]

ragmanc34 - Bet logging onto Bluemoon is the first thing you thought of this morning !!

It was mate, i enjoy the debates. No point joining a Red forum is there where nobody is gonna have a debate

Do you enjoy watching your, lump it to the big man football?

 

[Newman Noggs]

ragmanc34 - Bet logging onto Bluemoon is the first thing you thought of this morning !!

It was mate, i enjoy the debates. No point joining a Red forum is there where nobody is gonna have a debate

Good man. I've enjoyed this thread as you've stood your corner without resorting to abuse. That you are partisan and tailor your "facts" to suit your allegiance is fine by me, fans should be blinkered. I think what stood out as an illustration of FFP for me was that when we played you the other week, our back 4 and goalkeeper cost less than you paid for Rio Ferdinand way back when. Now I think about it, the whole lot cost roughly what De Gea cost you and less than Luke Shaw. So you'll forgive us if we call bullshit on "Financial fair play"

 

[waspish]

I don't think people bothered because he's proved himself to be a delusional fuckwit, who picks and chooses what he wants to believe.
His opening post proved beyond any doubt that he is a liar and not to be trusted. So I just haven't bothered.

Yeah I know. I just wanted to call him a clown when he gave us his valuation of Stevie Ireland.

Managala fee was confirmed here <a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11338738/Manchester-City-finances-under-scrutiny-from-Uefa.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -Uefa.html</a>

£32m went directly to Porto I believe, £10m to his agent, as he had a stake in him, which is legal in Portugal, but not in England, so you had to pay £10m extra to get the controlling stake from his agent in order to make him eligbible in the Premier League.
Same happened with Marcos Rojo who we signed
If you want the source of the transfer fees then its
transferleague.co.uk

Everything is on there, but you're gonna tell me it's lying now aren't you because it doesn't equate to what you have been told.
As I said the squad prices calculated are that of the current 25 men squads for both clubs. United did indeed have the most expensive squad in PL history until you signed Bony.

No we payed Porto 32m then they payed the agent 10m from the 32m I believe

 

[CityFan94]

A lot of nonsense spouted by that United fan.

Firstly, FFP was introduced to stop another Chelsea, another Manchester City. Clubs like Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool hated the fact a team with a rich owner could go above them and they closed the shop. Even if the richest man in the world took over a Premiership club now, his hands would be tied. The shop is closed.

The United fan said FFP was introducted to stop clubs having big debts, the fact that we were punished for having absolutely NO DEBT is proof that statement is wrong.

I'm not in favour of FFP. I don't actually think it'll affect us much anymore, our income is growing and growing. We have a higher income than Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. But for clubs like Tottenham, Newcastle and Villa, the dream is over. Every fan dreams of winning the league and that's impossible for those clubs now. I don't think there's any chance of a club other than the two Manchester clubs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool of finishing in the top four anymore. How's that good for the league? That's simply the likes of United and Arsenal protecting their own interests. Without FFP, Southampton may have kept onto all those players last summer and built something special.

Liverpool dominated in the 80s because they had the most money, United dominated in the 90s because they had the most money. Now us and Chelsea have the most money. Anyone else seeing a pattern here...?

I think ourselves and Chelsea have actually made the Premiership more interesting, the two horse race between United/Arsenal wasn't exciting and people would be bored of it by 2015. Those two teams won the Premiership for a decade before Chelsea came along with their money. No team was coming close to challenging United/Arsenal until Chelsea and then ourselves. People would have been bored of a two team league in 2015.

I'd ideally want MORE investment into the Premiership, not less. I think it would be good for the league if big clubs like Newcastle and Southampton got taken over and could start to compete. It was United, Arsenal and Liverpool who wanted to close the shop, not us. We voted against FFP. Big investment into good football clubs should be encouraged, not denied.

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

Redmanc , you claim to come from a area of Manchester which is 80% blue and you have many relatives who are blue , yet according to you neither the last minute league win or the 6 1 thrashing at the swamp hurt as much as the Dippers beating you , all i can say Redmanc is either your a delusional liar or the blues in your neighbourhood and the blues in your family really need to hang their heads in shame for not making your life hell for the last few years .
Obviously losing to a team 35 miles away whos supporters you rarely come across on a daily basis is a 1000 times worse than losing to your nearest neighbours , especially when supposedly 80% of the locality where you live and most of your relatives support the team youve lost to and will go out of their way to never let you forget it , you either have an incredibly thick skin , an almost pathalogical hatred of the scousers or you are delusional . maybe its all three

To be fair, out of all of my United supporting mates, there isn't one who'd choose a defeat to Liverpool over a defeat to City.

Not a single one.

Now over time, if you happen to keep winning trophies, mainly at the expense of United, whilst Liverpool continue to win fuck all, then that may change. But I dont think it will. They absolutely detest them.

and how many live in Manchester and go to a game?