United thread 2017/18

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Since baconface left the truth is they have been pretty aimless. My observations are, if Woodward is so savvy he should see this and get a right hand man in who is savvy in football. So is Woodward that great besides signing commercial deals? A smart man knows his limitations at that time, he has still not got to grips with the football world looking at the ripoff prices they gladly pay. I understand the charts may say they get it back and more but what message does it send out to other clubs? It tells me they are a laughing stock at boardroom level across Europe.

You can quantify this with the fee's we now pay and to a good extent always have (Aguero, only idiots questioned his fee being reasonable, Silva also and so on). Who gets Gabriel Jesus for that price against Barcelona who wanted him as well, who does that? Utd could not dream of having that pull, even in their pomp they had to pay a lot or be savvy.

So if your academy is not some mythical machine churning out top talent on a consistent basis you have to buy. Utd have to buy and have their pants pulled down due to this vicious circle. The player sees us* and our focused long term goals, knows he is off to utd but then feels "well shit, if i am not part of that then the blow better be softened with wages". Utd need the player and pay the fee and the circle continues.

I feel this dynamic is very real for them and is at such a fundamental level nothing can ever kick on for them whilst this continues.

This is one of about 4 major things i can see that should be obvious to these fellas and not to hard to rectify. The other issues all stem from this ad hoc, let's see how it goes approach to their core footballing side of things management/structure.

*if not us, another top club, Madrid etc.
 
TCIB said:
Since baconface left the truth is they have been pretty aimless. My observations are, if Woodward is so savvy he should see this and get a right hand man in who is savvy in football. So is Woodward that great besides signing commercial deals? A smart man knows his limitations at that time, he has still not got to grips with the football world looking at the ripoff prices they gladly pay. I understand the charts may say they get it back and more but what message does it send out to other clubs? It tells me they are a laughing stock at boardroom level across Europe.

You can quantify this with the fee's we now pay and to a good extent always have (Aguero, only idiots questioned his fee being reasonable, Silva also and so on). Who gets Gabriel Jesus for that price against Barcelona who wanted him as well, who does that? Utd could not dream of having that pull, even in their pomp they had to pay a lot or be savvy.

So if your academy is not some mythical machine churning out top talent on a consistent basis you have to buy. Utd have to buy and have their pants pulled down due to this vicious circle. The player sees us* and our focused long term goals, knows he is off to utd but then feels "well shit, if i am not part of that then the blow better be softened with wages". Utd need the player and pay the fee and the circle continues.

I feel this dynamic is very real for them and is at such a fundamental level nothing can ever kick on for them whilst this continues.

This is one of about 4 major things i can see that should be obvious to these fellas and not to hard to rectify. The other issues all stem from this ad hoc, let's see how it goes approach to their core footballing side of things management/structure.

*if not us, another top club, Madrid etc.
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Sssshhhh.
 
I wonder if rag fans will finally recognize this as an excuse and hold him accountable. Everything else he's used as an excuse has been adopted by the masses ala Trump and his followers (but that's a different story). This time, he's actually trying to deflect criticism from his side drawing at home to Burnley by saying we spend too much to compete. If he truly thinks this, why did he not say it before or after the derby?

The meltdown is starting to build, and I for one hope that every single one of the 650 million accept each excuse as they come.

In terms of his actual comment, we didn't spend any money on fullbacks from when we signed Gael Clichy in summer 2011 until this past summer, where we signed the top LB and RB on the market. The funny thing is, they're going to have to fork up £50m when they go in for Danny Rose and Maureen won't say a thing then.

I've made this comparison before, but we have bought far better since Pep took over than they have under Jose. For a net spend difference that is only ~£2m more than theirs, we've signed:

Stones, Jesus, Gundogan, Sane, Bravo, Zinchenko, Bernardo, Ederson, Walker, Danilo, Mendy, as well as Nolito, and more potential prospects for the future.

They've signed:

Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan, Bailly, Lukaku, Matic, and Lindelof.

Add to that, Pep has improved the likes of Stones, Sterling, Delph, Otamendi, etc ten fold. Meanwhile Maureen parks the bus at home to top four opposition and plays hoofball. To think the rags claimed they had got the better manager and that Pep was a fraud. Jose wouldn't accomplish what we are currently doing if he was our manager. Genuinely can't decide if I'd be happier at Jose fucking off to PSG or if he stayed there another season.
 
You're all being very harsh on them. They did say they had the most difficult Christmas schedule, and it seems they were right. Poor rags.
 
I keep hearing ‘we’re Manchester united’. I know you are ffs. And you’re a bit shit.
 
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