United thread 2017/18

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TCIB said:
Since baconface left the truth is they have been pretty aimless. My observations are, if Woodward is so savvy he should see this and get a right hand man in who is savvy in football. So is Woodward that great besides signing commercial deals? A smart man knows his limitations at that time, he has still not got to grips with the football world looking at the ripoff prices they gladly pay. I understand the charts may say they get it back and more but what message does it send out to other clubs? It tells me they are a laughing stock at boardroom level across Europe.

You can quantify this with the fee's we now pay and to a good extent always have (Aguero, only idiots questioned his fee being reasonable, Silva also and so on). Who gets Gabriel Jesus for that price against Barcelona who wanted him as well, who does that? Utd could not dream of having that pull, even in their pomp they had to pay a lot or be savvy.

So if your academy is not some mythical machine churning out top talent on a consistent basis you have to buy. Utd have to buy and have their pants pulled down due to this vicious circle. The player sees us* and our focused long term goals, knows he is off to utd but then feels "well shit, if i am not part of that then the blow better be softened with wages". Utd need the player and pay the fee and the circle continues.

I feel this dynamic is very real for them and is at such a fundamental level nothing can ever kick on for them whilst this continues.

This is one of about 4 major things i can see that should be obvious to these fellas and not to hard to rectify. The other issues all stem from this ad hoc, let's see how it goes approach to their core footballing side of things management/structure.

*if not us, another top club, Madrid etc.
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Said this before, when he left, many times after, and I'll say it again. See this article (which is hilarious in retrospect) on his eight mantras for running a successful organization.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sir-alex-ferguson-reveals-8-secrets-to-success-2013-9

Number 4 is "Never, ever cede control." He was an autocrat. Autocrats -- and this is important -- do not care about the state they leave an organization in when they leave. They aim to maximize success while they are there. The afters are the next guy's problem, and a win/win for the autocrat, because if the successor leadership fails, the autocrat's proven to be more successful, and if it succeeds, he can claim credit for laying the seeds. The problem is that autocrats don't build benches (they're a threat), nor organizational capabilities (that can endure past the autocrat's tenure). They must "never, ever cede control" of any aspect of running the business. The idiot Glazers were only too happy to let him, because they know dick about football. Everyone else had a niche specialty like Woodward, but no ability to master all the aspects of the business. 4/5 years on, they are STILL struggling to fill the vacuums at EVERY key control element of the business.

It's wonky to say so, but their failure -- which is far from complete and has only just begun IMO -- will make an excellent business school case someday.
 
roj said:
I keep hearing ‘we’re Manchester united’. I know you are ffs. And you’re a bit shit.
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You're right, you hear "We're Manchester United!" a lot now and it gets shriller and more desperate as each season goes by and they slip inexorably further and further away from the greatness that is their due, because that's the true meaning of "We're Manchester United" These constant petty humiliations are not supposed to happen to them because they're the great Manchester United! Glory, glory and all that f**king bollocks.

It's almost pitiable, almost, because their great history, which they used to happily wheel out to belittle us, gives them little comfort these days, because it reminds them of how good they were and how they're unlikely to ever experience that again, in truth their history is beginning to haunt them....Welcome to Dipperland boys.
 
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TCIB said:
Since baconface left the truth is they have been pretty aimless. My observations are, if Woodward is so savvy he should see this and get a right hand man in who is savvy in football. So is Woodward that great besides signing commercial deals? A smart man knows his limitations at that time, he has still not got to grips with the football world looking at the ripoff prices they gladly pay. I understand the charts may say they get it back and more but what message does it send out to other clubs? It tells me they are a laughing stock at boardroom level across Europe.

You can quantify this with the fee's we now pay and to a good extent always have (Aguero, only idiots questioned his fee being reasonable, Silva also and so on). Who gets Gabriel Jesus for that price against Barcelona who wanted him as well, who does that? Utd could not dream of having that pull, even in their pomp they had to pay a lot or be savvy.

So if your academy is not some mythical machine churning out top talent on a consistent basis you have to buy. Utd have to buy and have their pants pulled down due to this vicious circle. The player sees us* and our focused long term goals, knows he is off to utd but then feels "well shit, if i am not part of that then the blow better be softened with wages". Utd need the player and pay the fee and the circle continues.

I feel this dynamic is very real for them and is at such a fundamental level nothing can ever kick on for them whilst this continues.

This is one of about 4 major things i can see that should be obvious to these fellas and not to hard to rectify. The other issues all stem from this ad hoc, let's see how it goes approach to their core footballing side of things management/structure.

*if not us, another top club, Madrid etc.
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A succinct synopsis that I can only hope the Rags do not employ, bang on.
 
TCIB said:
You are a tight sod, poor Phil the face xD
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Poor Phil the face inflicts that face upon all of us and his comedy defending isn't near enough to cancel out the aesthetic trauma. Not only that, the Frankenstein looking **** gets to take home more in a year than you or I will in 30.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Said this before, when he left, many times after, and I'll say it again. See this article (which is hilarious in retrospect) on his eight mantras for running a successful organization.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sir-alex-ferguson-reveals-8-secrets-to-success-2013-9

Number 4 is "Never, ever cede control." He was an autocrat. Autocrats -- and this is important -- do not care about the state they leave an organization in when they leave. They aim to maximize success while they are there. The afters are the next guy's problem, and a win/win for the autocrat, because if the successor leadership fails, the autocrat's proven to be more successful, and if it succeeds, he can claim credit for laying the seeds. The problem is that autocrats don't build benches (they're a threat), nor organizational capabilities (that can endure past the autocrat's tenure). They must "never, ever cede control" of any aspect of running the business. The idiot Glazers were only too happy to let him, because they know dick about football. Everyone else had a niche specialty like Woodward, but no ability to master all the aspects of the business. 4/5 years on, they are STILL struggling to fill the vacuums at EVERY key control element of the business.

It's wonky to say so, but their failure -- which is far from complete and has only just begun IMO -- will make an excellent business school case someday.
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That is very insightful, thanks for this. I knew a bit that an autocrat was a singular type figure but never knew the finer details as you point out nicely. Head docs must be like "yep, that is totally correct and exactly why they are a bit screwed". Why the hell could they not see this, i mean with the cash around the Glazers should be seeing stuff the man on the street does not. What you say about autocrats is almost the living definition of what happened to them so it was not like they were blindsided and this hit them out of the blue, well summat blue hit them :-D
 
aguero93:20 said:
Poor Phil the face inflicts that face upon all of us and his comedy defending isn't near enough to cancel out the aesthetic trauma. Not only that, the Frankenstein looking **** gets to take home more in a year than you or I will in 30.
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I was thinking of the title for his autobiography...

"Doing it on all fours - The Phil Jones Way"
 
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