United thread 2017/18

[BlueTG]

Funnily enough I can see Pep relishing working with both. Why not? It may be outside his usual comfort zone to develop local lads, but never say never as they say. He may have to give time to some of your young lads eventually, otherwise it doesn't look great and if I were you I would trust him to bring a couple of young lads through. If Mourinho can do it then I'm sure Pep can follow suit. He certainly has the coaching ability.

Oddly enough I don't think Pep follows suit on anything Mourinho does.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Oddly enough I don't think Pep follows suit on anything Mourinho does.

Exactly why would he want to go backwards ?

 

[malg]

Shove your “banter” up your Rag arse pal. Are you a bored 12 year old?

Pleb.

From the posting style, I reckon it's a Blue on the wum. Either an ex member of the Board, or someone has created a new account.

 

[jma]

hcblue95 said: ↑
I know you're on the wind up but Lingard and Rashford were brought through by Mourinho's predecessors, Lingard is about 27 isn't he? What happened to Tuanzebe he doesn't even make the cup squads anymore.



No. no wind up meant. I think it would be great for City to develop some of your academy prospects and bring them through to first team. It's practically a Manchester tradition what with our history.
As well as our better known local lads, Rashford, Lingard etc, Mourinho gave Scott McTominay his full debut in the Palace game and was impressive. He had a Michael Carrick-esque presence in the centre of the park and put up Carrick-esque numbers. He completed 90 per cent of the 49 passes.



Demetri Mitchell did well at left back against Palace and was seriously impressive. Mourinho started young Harrop too.

Also Tuanazebe had big Allstar Alexis Sanchez in his pocket v the Arse.

Then we've got FosuMensah, Gomes and Pereira too. Who knows how these lads future will pan out but they know that at United they are with a club who are second to no other when it comes to their development. I'm sure you're aware of our unrivalled record. That's the United way. It will take a while but I think this is what City will aspire to eventually also.

Not a single one of the players mentioned, including Lingard and Rashford, is trusted as a member of the first choice XI by the manager. Now, whether that is because the club doesn't give them the chances as they should or whether because they genuinely aren't good enough, no-one is quite sure. Some of them are definitely not good enough but, like any club when they have injuries and suspensions and a fairly weak squad, United have been forced to throw some of them in for some games.

Tuanzebe, Fosu-Mensah, Gomes, McTominay, Harrop and even Rashford and Lingard only played for United because they had so many injuries and a mismanaged squad meant that they were the ONLY possible options. And as soon as non-academy options were fit, they were dropped again.

Now, you might state that this is not true of Rashford. But explain why, for a player that is lauded as the future of English football, he scores so few goals and spends so much time on the bench. It is because the club/manager do not trust him to be good enough. Do you really think if a club like Everton, Palace, Burnley, even Spurs had a player that the whole media lauded as the future of English football, they would put him on the bench for loads of games - despite, like United, having very few other options.

United's youngsters get opportunities when they have no other option due to mismanagement of the squad. It isn't 1996 when they genuinely had developed excellent players and made a decision to ditch big names in order to play them.

For the past 15 years United have deveoped bog-standard quality academy players on a par with any other club - look where most of them end up as players when they are sold. But as time has dragged on they have given them opportunities because the first team options that they are competing against have become worse and worse. So it now a comparison against the likes of Everton, who give good/average youngsters chances because they don't have a great squad to play instead.

City have the opposite problem. They have a far superior squad to United and, despite having better academy players, this is what hampers them for now. not some sort of mystical ethos and appreciation for the power of youth. In fact, your manager does not trust young players (including yours) at all. To an extent more than most.

Get a grip. City's youth progression can be criticised. But only in comparison to clubs in similar situations - e.g. Madrid, Barca, Bayern, etc.

United's current youth progression should be compared to Everton, Liverpool and Spurs. And the assertion that it is any better than those does not stand up to scrutiny.

 

[inchy14]

No digs from me I can assure you.
We football supporters always defend our own club no matter how shite we are doing but that doesnt mean we have to always get digs in against our rivals ( unless of course it's the bitter red scousers we're on about.)

Twice you classed the scousers as your ‘rivals’ now unless you mean inbthe fight for fourth, you’re talking bollocks started by Fergiescum as they never were your so called rivals before that.

One thing you saying it proves is you certainly ain’t from Manchester.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I can understand that :) on a jokey level and good for you but really it does seem some of you fellows take the whole business very personally. Can't be at all good for the old blood pressure.

We take our club personally & have had to put up with a lot of personal stuff, & utter bullshit about our club, for decades. Not just from you lot, but you are the worst for it & the most hypocritical (well Liverpool actually can match you).

We have experience of stuff, in the last few decades, which Utd (plus Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, AC Milan etc etc etc) have never experienced. But some of it didn't involve celebrity, & wasn't live on TV or many parades, & pats n the back, so it's all meaningless, apparently, like almost every other team in the country apart from a few, are 'meaningless'.

When our Derby is Macclesfield & Stockport County are an elite team from the league above & 30k of us turn out to watch us lose at home to Wycombe Wanderers, or our fathers watch Bert Trautmann wiining the league & then being relegated or the stories our grandparents tell of watching Brook Tilson Toesland running riot, in front of even record (still outside Wembley) attendances, or even earlier, Max Woosnam playing cb for City, scoring 100 at Lords for the MCC & winning the Doubles at Wimbledon, none of this counts, as history, because not all of it involved cups & ribbons & back patting, fawning bollocks.

History in football, only exists, if it is first vetted by Manchester Utd, Liverpool etc, to see if it is the right kind of 'history'. And now we are writing it, these football Nazis, will have to take it, up the arse & hopefully, for many many years.

We know how it feels, to have no hope of ever competing, & have to listen to people fawning over how many stars a team has & how much money they have spent, how wonderful it is that they have a bench full of world class footballers & how great it is for the League that this wonderful collection of players is in our country. Whilst their fans sing pisstake songs about a team with no money, in the 3rd division, but they are not bitter. We are the 'bitter' ones.

Time moves on & we are told, said team actually didn't spend anything much & actually did it all with kids & money= baaaad, unless you break the transfer record & sign whilst holding a red shirt.

So how wonderful, when these 'historical' teams are falling over each other to pay twice & 3 times the market value of players, to try & compete with 'little' City.

But they 'earned' it & 'deserve' it, because of their 'history'.

Well they 'deserve' every atom, of shit we dump back on them for as long as we possibly can.

And our 'blood pressure' may be pumping, with the sheer orgasmic delight of it.

 

[Vienna_70]

Dave in a Mourinho team?? He'd have sold him to Benfica for £5m long before now.

And then tried to buy him back for £100 million?

 

[2sheikhs]

At some point, the board members at the sty will step in and tell little mo to back away from the childish spats with other managers. They may already have.
I don't think he can help himself though and it'll be his downfall. If the board realise that a manager has either taken the team as far as he can or they don't trust him to spend wisely, the funds dry up. They did it with moyes and to a lesser extent, we did it with mancini.
The likes of mancini, pellegrini, ranieri etc know the rules when the job comes to the end. Trot out the usual platitudes, thanking the club for the opportunity and wishing them all the best for the future.
Little mo isn't going to do that. Everyone knows that.
He'll go down screaming like an alley cat, blaming everyone and everything for not giving him the means to dominate the world. A kind of bond villain on a budget.

 

[Vienna_70]

Carrick is our captain and though past his best the team has missed him and he is still a big influence within the squad. Mourinho is a panto villain but he simply wouldn’t do that I’m quite sure.

Oh yes he would!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This new poster seems like a nice guy.