United thread 2017/18

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domalino said:
The problem with Lukaku is he's not good enough to play for a team who aspire to be at the top of world football, and he never will be.

His goalscoring record for Everton was incredible, a 0.5 goals per game at a club that bad is brilliant, but the best strikers do more than just finish chances, and he showed time after time his hold up play was poor, he's not got a creative bone in his body, and his touch isn't good enough to play with creative players in and around the box.

Making him a scapegoat won't help them or him, but the sad truth for them is they spent £100m on player who will never fit into a top side, and now they have to soldier on building the team around someone who'll do nothing but finish big, clear cut chances you create for him.

The redcafe postmortem has circled back to Morata vs. Lukaku again and the debate is embarrassing. Morata is several levels above Lukaku at everything.
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I was going to do a big post-mortem on them both but got bored, so I will say,
Morata- giroud
Lukaku- benteke
 
Think Andy Gray's and John Barne's reactions belong here:

So Jesus' was a dive and Herrera should have had a penalty... ok then not biased at all.
 
domalino said:
The problem with Lukaku is he's not good enough to play for a team who aspire to be at the top of world football, and he never will be.

His goalscoring record for Everton was incredible, a 0.5 goals per game at a club that bad is brilliant, but the best strikers do more than just finish chances, and he showed time after time his hold up play was poor, he's not got a creative bone in his body, and his touch isn't good enough to play with creative players in and around the box.

Making him a scapegoat won't help them or him, but the sad truth for them is they spent £100m on player who will never fit into a top side, and now they have to soldier on building the team around someone who'll do nothing but finish big, clear cut chances you create for him.

The redcafe postmortem has circled back to Morata vs. Lukaku again and the debate is embarrassing. Morata is several levels above Lukaku at everything.
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Good post.

I suppose until he is tried at the highest level his capability is not known, the art is to find a player who can improve like Pep has done or buy the finished article (which he obviously is not)
Says a lot about those who bought him rather than the player himself. Same with any team I suppose including City but having a punt on Lukaku at near 100 K was a buying mistake, their original offer around 50 K made more sense but they blew Chelsea out of the race and started the new price escalation.

Having said that we have our failures eg Bravo and others but look at what Pep has done with many of our players, he has improved most and changed them all into team players.
 
All this shit about Pogba not being available. Tough luck!

They are not a victim of circumstance, he got sent off for stamping on somebody when a game was won. They also forget to mention that he played against us last season and we played them off the pitch
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Who's the other guy?
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I'm not sure but Keys said "Have you enjoyed watching your favourite team play"(as in united) so I was expecting it to be someone involved at united in the past but having googled who @everythingchangesbutblue suggested it does look like him. He seemed to offer more balanced views than the other two to be fair to him. Well I'm not sure I agree they took the game to us in the second half and had us on the back foot, they just had more moments than the first half but at least he didn't try and claim they were hard done by.
 
Blue Hefner said:
All this shit about Pogba not being available. Tough luck!

They are not a victim of circumstance, he got sent off for stamping on somebody when a game was won. They also forget to mention that he played against us last season and we played them off the pitch
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Has it occurred to anyone that Pogba's sending off was a deliberate act, on advice from his PR team, to stop him playing in the derby. After all if he played and they got beaten it wouldn't look good for him but now he comes out of it with reputation intact or even enhanced as the rags are all bleating excuses that with him in the side they would have won.
 
Metalartin said:
I'm not sure but Keys said "Have you enjoyed watching your favourite team play"(as in united) so I was expecting it to be someone involved at united in the past but having googled who @everythingchangesbutblue suggested it does look like him. He seemed to offer more balanced views than the other two to be fair to him.
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I thought the question n response was as if he was Everton, so Collins sounds reasonable.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I thought the question n response was as if he was Everton, so Collins sounds reasonable.
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Edit: His answer was "Yes I thought the second half was really exciting, Manchester United decided to have a go..." or something along those lines. Maybe Keys was just confused there or alluding to who he favoured between the two Manchester clubs.
 
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woolleyback blue said:
Has it occurred to anyone that Pogba's sending off was a deliberate act, on advice from his PR team, to stop him playing in the derby. After all if he played and they got beaten it wouldn't look good for him but now he comes out of it with reputation intact or even enhanced as the rags are all bleating excuses that with him in the side they would have won.
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Yep. I thought so at the time. I think his advisors told him after his comments to make sure he's not available for the derby.
 
Pogba is a decent player dont get me wrong but i dont think he would have made a blind bit of difference to the result yesterday.
He may have provided Lumpkaku with a bit more service yes, but he would have spent most of the game chasing kevin, david and dinho.

We didnt have our record scorer on the pitch, our first choice LB, our best CB this season in Stones, or club legend vinnie for 45mins and we have had to play a CM in at LB and for a while yesterday we had dinho at CB.........now that too me is a lot more of a disruption to a team than missing a dabber and dancer?? Or am i viewing things through my blue tinted specs again??
 
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