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TCIB
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It is a strange thing really. They are in what the network provider world call "best effort" basically you get just enough to stop a revolt, the bare minimum. I do not think it unfair considering their financial outlay on players they have spent to draw a similarity between the two.
Remember they slashed all sections of utd's funding by 11% last year. Does this strike you as a progressive team. Considering the supreme power they had i say they have died by a thousand cuts. They really should be powering on and have a similar strategy to us if they were progressive and dynamic. After all they are a business...but, they are using stingy old skool methods that do not take into account fully all the variables and facets of football in England, we do.
They did very well from one clump of youth in the early 90's which sustained them for 10 years at least. The hassle with the horse owners happened and Ferguson got these lot in. In that sense he very much made utd's bed and set them up for this business model, the best effort model.
They are happy to keep them in a large perpetual debt and make the odd blockbuster shirt selling purchase. I can see them staying their for a hell of a long time keeping this mentality and attitude to the club. For us, we could not ask more. The Glazers are having a party probably now at some glam lakeside house in Nantucket, they could not give a monkeys as long as the cash roles in as it currently is.
bluetonium
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In work this morning, I don't think I've ever heard a bunch of fans so gutted despite being second. Talking about ours and Liverpool's performances like orphans discussing Christmas dinner at Buckingham Place.
As we all know and can see, Jose will get you results and some silverware. But they won't enjoy the ride and he'll ultimately leave their team in turmoil. What we are doing so far this season, any team would come off second best to that, but in the face of that the thought of a few more years of hoof ball must be really grinding now. Woodward made a deal with the devil and to hell with the cost, not just financially but also with regards to the supposed core values, because the punters just want to see wins, right?
As we all know and can see, Jose will get you results and some silverware. But they won't enjoy the ride and he'll ultimately leave their team in turmoil. What we are doing so far this season, any team would come off second best to that, but in the face of that the thought of a few more years of hoof ball must be really grinding now. Woodward made a deal with the devil and to hell with the cost, not just financially but also with regards to the supposed core values, because the punters just want to see wins, right?
People are dissatisfied because football is more about just points, league tables, and stats; it's about the football, what goes on the pitch. Honestly, it's getting harder and harder to watch us play. I know a lot of football fans will find it weird but I'd rather be in 5th place watching wonderful football than being 2nd or 1st under Mourinho's depressing tactics.
A lot of the season ticket holders I know are caring less and less about the wins everyday because the football is so boring, despite being 2nd place.
SilverFox2
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Good points TC.
I appreciate City are still at the investment phase of their business development with most City earned profits ploughed back into football to develop our plan but will this eventually stop and will our owner be able to allow us to tickover without complacency ?
Profits may then be diverted to expanding CFG members via the Holding Company tax advantages.
The United owners as you say will use their profits to fund whatever they desire whilst playing lip service to the goose that lays the golden egg.
Bilboblue
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Come on, you're a City fan, aren't you?
No man u fan would ever talk so much sense in one post.
blue by birth
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Did you notice that Phil the face tells Alpaca to go down and get treatment.
Fucking hell they have to timewaste and cheat against West Bromwich Albion ffs they are a bunch of cnuts.
How the fuck are these wankers 2nd ..?
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I am pretty sure that United will make the top 4 as they simply don't lose many games and other than Chelsea the rest of the teams challenging are very inconsistent and are olny a couple of weeks away from a bad result. Saying that, even Chelsea have had a couple of shockers
TCIB
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I think we as a whole group will tick over soon enough with us alone able to sustain decent investment to the other clubs. Did you read that Guardian article the other day boss? it noted the smaller clubs we own have all done fantastic. One of them even getting promoted just 6 months after we got them.
I know a bit about networking, a bit about encoding, a bit about painting and decorating the house and how to change a light bulb. Financial stuff is not my forte by a long way but even i can see this will make other clubs shit themselves. Barcelona especially are spitting their dummy out as they have missed the bus.
This was all started a long long time ago, since players had transfer fees, business models were always the end game. Everyone stayed stuck in a rut, even Barca after the revolution circa 2k. They had the chance and said "nay lad", where as we have said to Soriano "fill yer boots lad". I feel the astute nature of Khaldoon could never be underestimated here. He has a calm aura about him i saw with Soriano on that Barca documentary, they both speak to a similar goal in the same manner.
We indeed will be the mothership you allude to in my opinion, it follows cold logic to me and is less an opinion but more of a confident forecast if you want business talk hehe.
BlueMoonz1977
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Well things will only get worse for them if they honestly think signing mesut ozil is a positive. Lets also look at Rashford, under peg is he improving as a player - nope he is still the same run fast and straight and shoot player. The difference is give Rashford to Pep and he would turn him into a totally different player....and that wont be going unoticed around the world by not only upcoming players but established elite players and there is the big difference between the managers.
Would you honestly as either a young aspiring player or elite player want to go and play for a manager that can improve your overall game, not just say it, but actually have proof he is doing it to others - Sane, Stones, Deph, Otamendi, Sterling, Aguero, Walker, Fernandinho. Play possession based offensive football and a manager who shows love for the game.
Or would you want to go to and play for a mnager that is using negative tactics, hoof ball methods, negative defensive gameplay and comes across as a miserable twat.
United at the end of pegs tenure will be no closer than they are now
Would you honestly as either a young aspiring player or elite player want to go and play for a manager that can improve your overall game, not just say it, but actually have proof he is doing it to others - Sane, Stones, Deph, Otamendi, Sterling, Aguero, Walker, Fernandinho. Play possession based offensive football and a manager who shows love for the game.
Or would you want to go to and play for a mnager that is using negative tactics, hoof ball methods, negative defensive gameplay and comes across as a miserable twat.
United at the end of pegs tenure will be no closer than they are now
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Put a bid in ; )
TCIB
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Hello bud, welcome to the forum. I hope you stay as i don't mind oppo fans myself who chat like you would in a pub. My dad is one of you buggers and he is of the same opinion. I do not mean that because your knocking your own club, i go of what my dad says mainly with you and what i see without blue specs. I have posted a rough outlining on this page even of how i feel you are as a club financially speaking. Of course that relates to the pitch to.
I really feel the money you need is spent poorly and not when it is needed, this points to lack of ability with your suits. It has been noted recently but always apparent to most i think, that you have flipflopped with your transfer policy. Not only that, you have failed to grasp the need for a director of footy, a Khaldoon who maintains the goal of staying on top. That goes hand in hand with the transfer policy being the manager only's decision. With your business model you need to go our way really or stay stuck.
I think what is the news you were not interested in Brazil as a market due to it not being immediately lucrative with shirt sales etc. That to me stands out as short term thinking when you look at our model now. The Glazers essentially want to leech of you with a thin veneer of investment a-la Pogba and Lukaku albeit for rather silly fees imo.
You are second now by such a margin due to your owners own shortsightedness and lack of vision imo if you want to tie it in a bow. You will maintain your position near the top i think but not as it was before with you as top dogs.
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I have never known a song like "Park the Bus" get so under the skin of Utd fans. Even the reasonable ones start to snarl.
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I cannot see Mourinho lasting long at the swamp. Financially they will back him but it will not be unrestricted spending and he will struggle to accept that. His management style was good, undoubtedly, but the parameters have changed and he cannot.
At Chelsea he spent a fortune without FFP issues and bought the best from rival teams to create a huge squad he then barely used. He would win all his home games and play for a draw away against the top clubs and play on the counter.
The trouble is that managers are now better than they were and everyone knows his gameplan. Rarely does he change it and when you stifle creative players to avoid defeat you risk damaging them long term. In Hazard and Ronaldo he had players who could win a game on their own whilst the rest of the team sat back. At the rags he does not have that player and I feel even if he were to find it he would still be too concerned about losing to truly unleash them.
Those tough games are more regular now. You can lose to anyone and have to adjust. The rags should still make top 4 but I do feel they will have to fight for it more than they will challenge us.
As much as they may strengthen we will too and although the gap might be closer I do think Pep has broken Mourinho and that is why we see such petty remarks from him.
At Chelsea he spent a fortune without FFP issues and bought the best from rival teams to create a huge squad he then barely used. He would win all his home games and play for a draw away against the top clubs and play on the counter.
The trouble is that managers are now better than they were and everyone knows his gameplan. Rarely does he change it and when you stifle creative players to avoid defeat you risk damaging them long term. In Hazard and Ronaldo he had players who could win a game on their own whilst the rest of the team sat back. At the rags he does not have that player and I feel even if he were to find it he would still be too concerned about losing to truly unleash them.
Those tough games are more regular now. You can lose to anyone and have to adjust. The rags should still make top 4 but I do feel they will have to fight for it more than they will challenge us.
As much as they may strengthen we will too and although the gap might be closer I do think Pep has broken Mourinho and that is why we see such petty remarks from him.
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How fitting that the Sun has taken over from the BBC as their official media mouthpiece. Lowest common denominator Rag and lowest common denominator Rags.
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