United thread 2018/19

[whp.blue]

3 United managers have won the league title in their entire existence. The last 3 City managers have all won the league.

I bet there will be less people in the swamp at the weekend who know that then the number of posters on here who knew that.

 

[Gray]

We might as well rely on Hull doing the business

Liverpool are like us, a different class. The only way one will win the league is to get 95+ points and fall short in the CL

Let’s accept they are unbearable but let’s also accept they are very good

You are correct, nothing to disagree with in what you say.

However after their attack on our team bus last season and the complete complicity of the Merseyside Police. I just hope they cock-up somewhere along the line.

 

[Gray]

3 United managers have won the league title in their entire existence. The last 3 City managers have all won the league.

Brilliant fact you have supplied there:

• Scum - Ernest Mangnall, Matt Busby and Alex Ferguson
• City - Wilf Wild, Joe Mercer, Roberto Mancini, Manuel Pellegrini and Pep Guardiola

 

[JASR]

As mentioned almost 2 years ago, if United want to get into top 4 consistently (last year’s 2nd was an anomaly on a par with Leicester winning the league), they need to get in a complete set of cohesive footballing staff, work out a complete club framework, then start dismantling and replacing the current mess from top to bottom, to apply that framework.

City took 3 years to achieve that - takeover to top 4. And haven’t been out of top 4 in the next 7 years. (Still brings a smile writing that sort of thing!)

I can’t see United achieving anywhere near that, without wholeheartedly copying the City off-field football philosophy completely. (And being realistic in short term aspirations, as the pain of change occurs).

If the past 5 years are anything to go by, it’ll just be more papering over the cracks to achieve minimal short termist revenue, rather than root and branch long term club planning.

As when United benefitted from the original premier league being setup, (and hadn’t priorly sacked Ferguson), City benefitted from the timing of the takeover, just when TV money really started shooting up.

Now with the money washing around ( but probably plateau’d) and in some cases, wisely invested in things other than players eg infrastructure (Arsenal, Tottenham and the other recent smaller new stadia for many clubs), then uniteds position seems like it’s teetering on the brink of a spectacular fall.

Money sucked out of club, investment in anything but (transient) players minimal, no observable coherent plan other than increasing revenue, clinging to the Ferguson past, reacting rather than taking initiative (ie fire-fighting).

It’s been really obvious for the past 5 years, but digging deeper, some of the issues were begun to be seen in their 2012/2013 title winning season, or they were to me, at least. The arrival of woowar, the wholesale clearing out of the backroom staff, the naive belief that the post-Busby effect wouldn’t happen this time around, the promotion of mediocre academy youth (hoping for more of the anomalous ‘class of 92’), the continuing transition of a club into a complete revenue whore (started by champagne Louis).

So many things , taken in isolation, would be fine, but combined .... it’s more an indication that there’s very very few well run clubs (relative success - eg Bournemouth, as well as the current top 5)

 

[Sky Blue]

Just had a "give it to Giggsy" by a brummie on talkshite. Fat Brazil heartbroken over his beloved Jose.

 

[bobmcfc]

My husband is a united fan and he absolutely hates mourinho. Says at this point he’s take allardyce lol

 

[Neville Kneville]

As mentioned almost 2 years ago, if United want to get into top 4 consistently (last year’s 2nd was an anomaly on a par with Leicester winning the league), they need to get in a complete set of cohesive footballing staff, work out a complete club framework, then start dismantling and replacing the current mess from top to bottom, to apply that framework.

City took 3 years to achieve that - takeover to top 4. And haven’t been out of top 4 in the next 7 years. (Still brings a smile writing that sort of thing!)

I can’t see United achieving anywhere near that, without wholeheartedly copying the City off-field football philosophy completely. (And being realistic in short term aspirations, as the pain of change occurs).

If the past 5 years are anything to go by, it’ll just be more papering over the cracks to achieve minimal short termist revenue, rather than root and branch long term club planning.

As when United benefitted from the original premier league being setup, (and hadn’t priorly sacked Ferguson), City benefitted from the timing of the takeover, just when TV money really started shooting up.

Now with the money washing around ( but probably plateau’d) and in some cases, wisely invested in things other than players eg infrastructure (Arsenal, Tottenham and the other recent smaller new stadia for many clubs), then uniteds position seems like it’s teetering on the brink of a spectacular fall.

Money sucked out of club, investment in anything but (transient) players minimal, no observable coherent plan other than increasing revenue, clinging to the Ferguson past, reacting rather than taking initiative (ie fire-fighting).

It’s been really obvious for the past 5 years, but digging deeper, some of the issues were begun to be seen in their 2012/2013 title winning season, or they were to me, at least. The arrival of woowar, the wholesale clearing out of the backroom staff, the naive belief that the post-Busby effect wouldn’t happen this time around, the promotion of mediocre academy youth (hoping for more of the anomalous ‘class of 92’), the continuing transition of a club into a complete revenue whore (started by champagne Louis).

So many things , taken in isolation, would be fine, but combined .... it’s more an indication that there’s very very few well run clubs (relative success - eg Bournemouth, as well as the current top 5)

Ferguson's team had become the default Champions, who hoovered up titles when their opponents fucked up. They were used to it. They did it to us, but they hadn't changed in years, just kept getting stuff on a plate.

If we had maintained our standards like they used to, just for one more season, we would have easily won a 2nd title under Mancini, but he was too busy arguing about who he needed to sign & picking fights rather than realising how good we already were & keeping up that winning spirit. All Pellegrini did was freshen that team up for a season & the rags had nothing left. Ferguson knew that & had fucked off.

Moyes was always going to be a joke, but I don't actually think LVG was anywhere near as bad as people made out, it's just that they required instant gratification & he is a drastic change in football style.

He probably wasn't going to get Utd to the top level, but he could have put in place a team which played good quality technical football & was ready for someone to work on.

Mourinho has just destroyed pretty much everything, including the players he himself actually signed. All of them, Pogba, Sanchez, even Lukaku, would be playing better football under LVG, football which is more in tune with the way the top teams are now playing.

They chose to abandon football, in order to guarantee titles.

But they only succeeded in abandoning football.

 

[Neville Kneville]

My husband is a united fan and he absolutely hates mourinho. Says at this point he’s take allardyce lol

Tell him he's right.

 

[aguero93:20]

My husband is a united fan and he absolutely hates mourinho. Says at this point he’s take allardyce lol

You should regularly wind him up by telling him Maureen has signed a contract extension.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You should regularly wind him up by telling him Maureen has signed a contract extension.

And ask for a divorce.