United Thread - 2021/22

[The Future’s Blue!]

Wasn't there supposed to be a protest today?

I heard a bit of a protest at half-time, that could’ve been down to the lack of food though.

 

[laplandblue]

“I was 20 the last time we won the Premier League and next year I’ll be 30, should that really happen?!”

With Rags, it’s that collective lack of understanding that things don’t last forever and that they’ve never been a club who’ve always been at the top, that gets me.

Outside Magnall, Busby, and Ferguson, United have only won five trophies and for the most part outside those three managers they’ve just been any old run-of-the-mill English football club. Mostly in the First Division/Premier League not doing much, sometimes in the Second Division, at times getting average league attendances of 11,000 and individual league attendances of 3,000, and going bust. That’s why Gary Neville saying, last year, that “Manchester United are the grandfathers of English football” was such a fucking stupid comment!

This attitude where they think they should be up the top of the league challenging is utter fucking delusion. Whenever United haven’t had a decent manager in place, whenever there have been better run clubs than them, they haven’t ever really been a club up there challenging.

This is actually true of all clubs in English football. English football doesn’t really have any clubs who are, far and away, out of reach of the rest of the pack when it comes to success. 20 league titles isn’t that many, in future decades there could be a few clubs up at that level, because it’s not overly dominant. There aren't any clubs in England who have always been up at the top, always challenging, always winning something every few years. And I don’t think there ever will be. This is what makes English football the best! There are far too many decent clubs with decent potential for any club in England to just always be dominant like a Rangers/Celtic or Nacional/Peñarol situation where they’ve all won over 100 trophies each and always been the dominant clubs in Scotland and Uruguay. England’s top clubs have always and will always be fluctuating and it would only take a decent few decades for any club to catch anyone else up. Because that’s all United (and Liverpool) ever really had to put them where they are in their own standing; a few good decades. Away from that, they’ve just been clubs like any other.

There have been other eras where clubs were dominant, only for their time at the top to come to an end and these clubs fall away from the top. Villa, Sunderland, Everton… Arsenal had a go for a while, Liverpool had their turn, United had theirs… City and Chelsea are in their great eras now… in future decades Newcastle, Leeds, Spurs, and West Ham could be the clubs who takeover at the top if they get the right investment and use it well with the right boardrooms and right managers/players, because they certainly all have the potential to… that would be reasonable to think would happen because that’s how English football has always worked.

This notion that not winning or challenging for the title isn’t good enough for United is completely out of touch with the reality of English football.

These periods of domination were made possible by funding, something supporters of certain teams would prefer to forget when they talk about " history ".

 

[JASR]

@Psychedelic Casual indeed.

the only reason United and liverpool supporters believe they are the god given chosen ones, is that their recent history has made them the most successful (in trophy terms).
Remove littlewoods influence from the 50’s onwards and liverpool would be a run of the mill 1x trophy a decade team.
Remove busby+ from the 50’s onwards and united are even less of a trophy team.

so for over 1/2 the lifetime of football in England, they were relatively minor.

even after busby, it took another 25 odd years before united domination (but apparently not boring) occurred.

and we all know the 30 years of liverpool.

the rise of mass international media and comms coincided with the disaster of Munich and onwards… effectively killing off the ‘hometown’ only supporters ideal. Liverpool and united were in the perfect timed place (ie doing well) to reap the benefits of each comms advance…. Just like we have with the mass penetration of the internet.

 

[East Level 2]

Can I ask a question, a few years ago the away fan rule was brought in by the PL, where opposition fans had to b pitchside. The 2 teams (off the top of my head) that didn't do this were Newcastle & Manchester United.

Just having a quick Google and Newcastle were granted an indefinite exemption due to safety concerns between fans, but what about Manchester United, as surely where away fans are is not classed as pitchside?

Away fans aren't that far back at the swamp (though the extras are for cup ties) and it's a decent view from the visitors section. It's not on the bloody roof as it is at Newcastle.

 

[Elbow beards]

“I was 20 the last time we won the Premier League and next year I’ll be 30, should that really happen?!”

With Rags, it’s that collective lack of understanding that things don’t last forever and that they’ve never been a club who’ve always been at the top, that gets me.

Outside Magnall, Busby, and Ferguson, United have only won five trophies and for the most part outside those three managers they’ve just been any old run-of-the-mill English football club. Mostly in the First Division/Premier League not doing much, sometimes in the Second Division, at times getting average league attendances of 11,000 and individual league attendances of 3,000, and going bust. That’s why Gary Neville saying, last year, that “Manchester United are the grandfathers of English football” was such a fucking stupid comment!

This attitude where they think they should be up the top of the league challenging is utter fucking delusion. Whenever United haven’t had a decent manager in place, whenever there have been better run clubs than them, they haven’t ever really been a club up there challenging.

This is actually true of all clubs in English football. English football doesn’t really have any clubs who are, far and away, out of reach of the rest of the pack when it comes to success. 20 league titles isn’t that many, in future decades there could be a few clubs up at that level, because it’s not overly dominant. There aren't any clubs in England who have always been up at the top, always challenging, always winning something every few years. And I don’t think there ever will be. This is what makes English football the best! There are far too many decent clubs with decent potential for any club in England to just always be dominant like a Rangers/Celtic or Nacional/Peñarol situation where they’ve all won over 100 trophies each and always been the dominant clubs in Scotland and Uruguay. England’s top clubs have always and will always be fluctuating and it would only take a decent few decades for any club to catch anyone else up. Because that’s all United (and Liverpool) ever really had to put them where they are in their own standing; a few good decades. Away from that, they’ve just been clubs like any other.

There have been other eras where clubs were dominant, only for their time at the top to come to an end and these clubs fall away from the top. Villa, Sunderland, Everton… Arsenal had a few goes, Liverpool had their turn, United had theirs… City and Chelsea are in their great eras now… in future decades Newcastle, Leeds, Spurs, and West Ham could be the clubs who takeover at the top if they get the right investment and use it well with the right boardrooms and right managers/players, because they certainly all have the potential to… that would be reasonable to think would happen because that’s how English football has always worked.

This notion that not winning or challenging for the title isn’t good enough for United is completely out of touch with the reality of English football.

Great Post, the cunts accuse us of thinking football started in 2008. When in reality, you can tell from their reaction, they think it began in 1992.

 

[pirate]

Just for fun should we list all the next new george bests they have had, but who turned out to be wank even though the press have hyped them to shit

I'll start with some of the most recent ones

J Lings
Marcus rashford
Bruno fernandes
french tony
pogbad
Memphis depay
adnan jizjaz
angel di maria (to be fair it turns out he was only shit when playing for united)
nick powell
wilfred zaha
danny wellbeck
tome cleverly (i almost couldnt type that I was laughing so much)
Bebe

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Remember when Ali Bernarbia worked out his legs had gone and ripped up his City contract and walked away to help us?

When do we think PR37 will do the same for the good of the club?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Just for fun should we list all the next new george bests they have had, but who turned out to be wank even though the press have hyped them to shit

I'll start with some of the most recent ones

J Lings
Marcus rashford
Bruno fernandes
french tony
pogbad
Memphis depay
adnan jizjaz
angel di maria (to be fair it turns out he was only shit when playing for united)
nick powell
wilfred zaha
danny wellbeck
tome cleverly (i almost couldnt type that I was laughing so much)
Bebe

My ears are still ringing from when Tyler screamed “Machedaaaaaaaaa”

 

[malg]

Just for fun should we list all the next new george bests they have had, but who turned out to be wank even though the press have hyped them to shit

I'll start with some of the most recent ones

J Lings
Marcus rashford
Bruno fernandes
french tony
pogbad
Memphis depay
adnan jizjaz
angel di maria (to be fair it turns out he was only shit when playing for united)
nick powell
wilfred zaha
danny wellbeck
tome cleverly (i almost couldnt type that I was laughing so much)
Bebe

the new Duncan Edwards is another one they used to role out quite regularly. Quite fucking insulting to the memory of that guy - I'm pretty sure that after around 5 games for the Rags 'Phil the Face' was the next one. Shameful actually that they allow themselves to do it so often.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Just for fun should we list all the next new george bests they have had, but who turned out to be wank even though the press have hyped them to shit

I'll start with some of the most recent ones

J Lings
Marcus rashford
Bruno fernandes
french tony
pogbad
Memphis depay
adnan jizjaz
angel di maria (to be fair it turns out he was only shit when playing for united)
nick powell
wilfred zaha
danny wellbeck
tome cleverly (i almost couldnt type that I was laughing so much)
Bebe

Don’t forget Phil “he could be as good as Duncan Edwards” Jones.

Is Phil Jones the new Duncan Edwards?

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