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halfcenturyup said:
Is that a real problem or just one created as a reason to support the project? What is the actual impact? Asking because I don't know ....
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Like you, I don't know the answer. I do know every time I catch the train on this line (which isn't that often) I seem to get held up just before Deansgate station, but that may just be as a result of a passenger train up ahead rather than a freight train
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
So is it right, that arsenal had to pay for all the surrounding infrastructure when they moved, the travel links, the concourse etc, but taxpayer's will pay for united?
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Have you been to the Emirates? There is no surrounding infrastructure. The stadium was sandwiched between 2 main trainlines, and in a very built up urban area. Spurs new ground is the same. Outside space is non existent.
 
Bert Swift said:
£300m of public money for Old Trafford

Drip by drip the truth is emerging.

Allegedly there is a £20bn shortfall in public finances. Cuts have to be made. However, a previously never mentioned scheme is now put forward as a priority and Burnham wants up to £300m (it will probably be 50% more if it happens) to shift a freight terminal in Trafford to St Helen`s. This just happened to co-incide with the land on which the freight terminal is currently located being essential to Man Utd PLC needing it to build a new ground.

Who makes this stuff up - "£7.3 billion annually for the UK economy, create 92,000 jobs nationally, more than 17,000 new homes". These are fantasy figures.

The truth is that public money is essential to help the absent, billionaire Glazers, and the billionaire Ratcliffe. Neither want nor intend to pay for the new ground. They want others to pay for that. And others to pay for the land acquisition and supporting infrastructure without which it can not happen.

All this is speculative and conceptual. Man Utd PLC club representatives were at MIPIM pitching their speculative ideas to speculators in the hope of attracting others to pay for a new stadium.. They said that their plans were “at the very early stages”.

There are no plans ! The costs are guestimates that will exceed £2b as happens with every major project. The timescales are unrealistic.

There is not sufficient land in the PLC`s ownership to build a stadium and utd.do not have the money even if they had all the land. This week Ratcliffe said that utd. would have gone bust if he had not sacked 400 staff. The same week he wants to build a new stadium !

Burnham is not daft. He is though disingenuous like many politicians. Reeves is the same. A marriage made in heaven.

The fact is that this is a huge PR and begging bowl exercise led by publicity desperate politicians who want public money to help billionaires who own a PLC by getting the public and private sectors to pay for it but not the owners of the club.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Andy Burnham wants £300m of public money for wider Old Trafford regeneration

Manchester mayor has stressed that ‘no public money’ will be spent on Manchester United’s proposed £2 billion new stadium itself
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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Remember the outrage of billionaire owners furloughing staff, meanwhile these cunts are getting support from the media.
 
Got moved to a new office a few days ago after an office reshuffle.

A few big rags in my new office. Or they claim to be anyway. One was asking the other earlier on if he renewed his United membership and said he must do the same.
Then a few minutes later another came in talking about the match last night and the first fella who was for renewing his membership said that he didn't even watch the match last night as he was watching something on Netflix and could hardly name many players these days.

Says it all really.
They've 2 billion "fans" around the world most like this
 
So this Widnes FLT.
Is that going to be where Fiddlers Ferry power station is/was or is that site earmarked for something else?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Is that a real problem or just one created as a reason to support the project? What is the actual impact? Asking because I don't know ....
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Stockton Heath Blue said:
Like you, I don't know the answer. I do know every time I catch the train on this line (which isn't that often) I seem to get held up just before Deansgate station, but that may just be as a result of a passenger train up ahead rather than a freight train
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Done some quick research The issue at Piccadilly is the outer platforms which carry the through traffic including the freight trains to Trafford Freight Terminal
I found a website that tracks trains and applied a filter for the above here are todays results, some actual and planned
The numbers are total, regardless of direction

From midnight to 07:00
10 trains
07:00 to 10:00
2 trains
10:00 to 16:00
5 trains
16:00 to 19:00
4 trains
After 19:00
5 trains

So a total of 26 trains
Crucially 15 of these were before or after 7:00

>£300M to remove these from the pass through
 
Gordyola said:
Done some quick research The issue at Piccadilly is the outer platforms which carry the through traffic including the freight trains to Trafford Freight Terminal
I found a website that tracks trains and applied a filter for the above here are todays results, some actual and planned
The numbers are total, regardless of direction

From midnight to 06:00
10 trains
07:00 to 10:00
2 trains
10:00 to 16:00
5 trains
16:00 to 19:00
4 trains
After 19:00
5 trains

So a total of 26 trains
Crucially 15 of these were before or after 7:00

>£300M to remove these from the pass through
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Feels like a smokescreen to justify the public money investment. Yet there seems to be very little benefit to your average train commuters - 6 trains passing through during the peak commuter periods
 
It all smacks of corporate welfare to me.

Even if relocating the freight terminal is desirable, is the cost worth it to free up those few extra paths for passenger trains? You are taking jobs out of GM.

Part of the site is the old Trafford Park engine shed. I bet that needs a few bob spent on remediation. Probably six feet deep in loco ash, oil and fuck knows what.

A new station? Again, very nice (for the Rags) but is it really a top priority for TfGM? There's only so much brass and money spent here means something else will, at best, be delayed.
 
Gordyola said:
Done some quick research The issue at Piccadilly is the outer platforms which carry the through traffic including the freight trains to Trafford Freight Terminal
I found a website that tracks trains and applied a filter for the above here are todays results, some actual and planned
The numbers are total, regardless of direction

From midnight to 07:00
10 trains
07:00 to 10:00
2 trains
10:00 to 16:00
5 trains
16:00 to 19:00
4 trains
After 19:00
5 trains

So a total of 26 trains
Crucially 15 of these were before or after 7:00

>£300M to remove these from the pass through
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Gordyola. Great stuff. There is nothing like facts and analysis to destroy a bit of propaganda. Is it possible that you could continue to monitor. An article to illustrate the twisted narrative in the press backed up by your analysis might help sink this nonsense. It could also be sent to every Councillor in Greater Mcr and every MP along with a list of the essential services that are being removed for the vulnerable etc. Sorry if this is too presumptive but I don’t think we should let this proposal slip by without the full facts being known.
 
I don't take much notice of what's happening outside Manchester but given the overkill publicity this week I am left with a question, when will the construction ( actual shovels in the ground ) start
 
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