United Thread | 2024/25

[danielwood5]

Burnham's latest interview suggests that's the case...

Which if true, makes a bit of a mockery of the whole 'the rags won't be getting any of the public funding' bollocks.

Sorry, I thought you were asking a genuine question but it appears you already had an answer.

 

[deano ou812]

Just thinking about something Ratcliffe mentioned the other they would have run out of money by Christmas,yes I know they’ll get the money for the stadium through the banks but surely alarm bells would be ringing going by his statement..

 

[give it to gordon]

Just thinking about something Ratcliffe mentioned the other they would have run out of money by Christmas,yes I know they’ll get the money for the stadium through the banks but surely alarm bells would be ringing going by his statement..

Have can a club be running out of money in 9 months time yet still pass ffp ?

 

[mind your car Mr?]

Surely if they've been losing money on the scale jimbob reported they'd have had points deductions on numerous occasions

 

[GaslightAnthem]

Imagine being a billion in debt, and adding another 2 billion for the sake of a massive circus tent. MENTAL.

 

[ysmsa]

I agree mate and it probably is nonsense but it's the kind of commercial arrangement that I can see Khaldoon rubbing his hands together for.

If it didn't happen what would the alternative be?

I bet they have already tapped up Mcr Council.

Think about it,

A cash strapped LA could see it's stadium income double from the stadium if the Rags played there.

Not a chance that would be turned down.

Unfortunately it won't be our decision to make.

The seeds are already being planted with Burnham slagging off freight trains in the city centre.

Regeneration of of an area (that doesn't really need it compared to other parts of the city).

I've said before, the Rags have enough space to rebuild without touching the freight terminal.

This is without question all about securing millions / billions to get most of the ground works and infrastructure completed and funded by others just so they can pitch up that hideous fucking tent.

 

[flb]

The way these red cunts are carrying you'd think the stadium is going to arrive in a 3-2-1 Ted Rogers type of magic trick , bare minimum this fucking charade won’t even tarnish the Manchester horizon for at least 5 years, gives the silly twats something to get excited about i suppose , meanwhile they’re fucking broke , selling their best youngsters to generate spending money , haven’t got a DOF , and they have a bigger rodent problem that Victorian age London.
Let them wank themselves stupid over a big fucking tent , meanwhile they’re sat in 14th position, with 11 real life clowns pretending to play football.
Rags 70 years ago , and rags now.

 

[danielwood5]

No invention of a problem in respect of the Labour party getting behind and supporting this scheme. For it was none other than the Chancellor of the Exchequer that stood up and named Manchester United as being part of the taxpayers investment...

Yeah that does piss me off.

Manchester United given what they want most with huge stadium announcement

Manchester United's hopes of building a new 100,000 stadium and regenerate the area where Old Trafford is located have been boosted by the Labour Government as they throw their support behind the Premier League giants' project

www.mirror.co.uk

I'm pretty certain that any government would have to get involved in a project as huge as this would be, if Badenoch was prime minister I can 100% guarantee that her government would be saying the same thing.

If you take out the political and footballing tribalism out of it you'd probably agree. If Salford Reds or whoever plays at Old Trafford Cricket Ground (Lancashire I guess?) wanted to expand or build a new ground and the government (local or national) agreed to get involved and use the project as a focal point to allow them regenerate and invest in the area, on top of the money put in by the sporting bodies involved then there wouldn't be this outcry.

I'd go so far as to say that if a government saw an opportunity to bring money into the country and to get a good return on their investment into a project then they've been pretty damn negligent in their duties if they don't get involved.

Having said that, it still feels like you're creating this into an issue to get angry about as the link to the Mirror article states that the government would look into getting involved in regenerating the area but none of the money will go to the sporting side of the project and even that article doesn't say the extent that the government would get involved and what they would get back from the project in the long term. How can you be so upset when we have little to no information about a project that almost certainly won't go ahead to the extent that United's PR team are trying to allege?

If the government put £2m into regenerating an area and got £5m (arbitrary figures pulled out of thin air, like a lot of the facts and figures used in these stories) back over time would that be fine with you? Or would it only be fine if it was a Conservative or Reform UK government doing it? Or would it be OK if the project was elsewhere in the country and didn't involve United?

As I said a lot of the whingeing going on seems to come from a place of sporting, or going off the language of your posts more likely, political tribalism. That is unless I missed the outpouring of wailing and gnashing of teeth when Boris Johnson approved the use of publiic funds in a similar manner to that suggested in Trafford when Spurs built their stadium.

Mayor approves ambitious plans to redevelop Spurs’ stadium

The Mayor has given final approval for the £400m development of Tottenham's new stadium.

www.london.gov.uk

Or the Merseyside council approved money to be used as part of the regeneration of the area around Everton's new stadium.

Combined Authority announces up to £45m plan to support region’s biggest regeneration project in more than a decade

<p>Funding will provide jobs, training and improved health and wellbeing for local people as well as act as a catalyst for ‘transformational regeneration’ of north docks and area around Goodison Park.</p>

www.liverpoolcityregion-ca.gov.uk

 

[ninjamonkey]

Just thinking about something Ratcliffe mentioned the other they would have run out of money by Christmas,yes I know they’ll get the money for the stadium through the banks but surely alarm bells would be ringing going by his statement..

It's not as dramatic as the headline sounds. It just meant that they had immediate cash flow problems in yet another glorious display of them being inadequately managed from top to bottom.

Had they ran out It would have just meant they'd have had to look at a short term loan to tidy them over until the end of the season when the bulk of income comes in and that would have meant more outgoings from interest payments on that loan.

I could be mistaken here but I've a vague recollection of them having to do just that a few years back?

They're sadly not in any danger, it's just a scare tactic from Jim to excuse his penny pinching antics.

 

[Bald fraud]

So much to question on this.

1) where are the funds coming from
2) where is the land acquired to build this
3) what is this “south Manchester regeneration project” that is continuously mentioned by Jim
4) why are they “floating” the segments of stadium down the canal? Where are they being built to throw such a claim

God knows. But it seems everything about this stadium. Even the way the stands are being transported there is over the top and extravagant and the biggest and bestest ever!!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Having checked their finances, the rags have had to scale back their plans for a new stadium. This is their new architectural plan.

 

[dadnlad]

I'm pretty certain that any government would have to get involved in a project as huge as this would be, if Badenoch was prime minister I can 100% guarantee that her government would be saying the same thing.
If you take out the political and footballing tribalism out of it you'd probably agree. If Salford Reds or whoever plays at Old Trafford Cricket Ground (Lancashire I guess?) wanted to expand or build a new ground and the government (local or national) agreed to get involved and use the project as a focal point to allow them regenerate and invest in the area, on top of the money put in by the sporting bodies involved then there wouldn't be this outcry. I'd go so far as to say that if a government saw an opportunity to bring money into the country and to get a good return on their investment into a project then they've been pretty damp negligent in their duties if they don't get involved.
Having said that, it still feels like you're creating this into an issue to get angry about as the link to the Mirror article states that the government would look into getting involved in regenerating the area but none of the money will go to the sporting side of the project and even that article doesn't say the extent that the government would get involved and what they would get back from the project in the long term. How can you be so upset when we have little to no information about a project that almost certainly won't go ahead to the extent that United's PR team are trying to alleged? If the government put £2m into regenerating an area and got £5m (arbitrary figures pulled out of thin air, like a lot of the facts and figures used in these stories) back over time would that be fine with you? Or would it only be fine if it was a Conservative or Reform UK government doing it? Or would it be OK if the project was elsewhere in the country and didn't involve United?
As I said a lot of the whingeing going on seems to come from a place of sporting, or going off the language of your posts more likely, political tribalism. That is unless I missed the outpouring of wailing and gnashing of teeth when Boris Johnson approved the use of publiic funds in a similar manner to that suggested in Trafford when Spurs built their stadium.

Mayor approves ambitious plans to redevelop Spurs’ stadium

The Mayor has given final approval for the £400m development of Tottenham's new stadium.

www.london.gov.uk

Or the Merseyside council approved money to be used as part of the regeneration of the area around Everton's new stadium.

Combined Authority announces up to £45m plan to support region’s biggest regeneration project in more than a decade

<p>Funding will provide jobs, training and improved health and wellbeing for local people as well as act as a catalyst for ‘transformational regeneration’ of north docks and area around Goodison Park.</p>

www.liverpoolcityregion-ca.gov.uk

Signed A Burnham

 

[flb]

Funny isn’t it though , that our owners invest massively , get a spade in the ground without blinking , yet the PL, the red cartel ( and the shysters in Tottenham ) want to wipe our club off the face of the earth with our ongoing case. On one hand our detractors say how good it is to invest in Trafford Park , but they will gladly see us relegated and put hard working staff associated with this club on the dole and for this club to suffer real long term hardship.
They will only be happy when our owners sell up , who’s going to plough money into this side of Manchester if they get what they want? The PL are cunts in my book , as are the clubs who we all know are behind all this.
So fuck United , and the fucking mayor clanging his bell. They can all get to fuck in my book.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Isn't fucking built yet? Good God I saw the model yesterday I assumed Scruffy Jim and the benefactors aka the Glazers would have fronted up the cash and a volunteer army of builders Nick Knowles would have completed it by now - DIY SOS has gone down hill hasn't it

 

[Blue Mist]

Allegedly they are going to build the stadium off site and ship it down the canal.
Is this feasible? There are no docks to moor ships and no cranes to lift the kit off.
Can anyone on here answer the question that the media refuse to ask ?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Allegedly they are going to build the stadium off site and ship it down the canal.
Is this feasible? There are no docks to moor ships and no cranes to lift the kit off.
Can anyone on here ask the question that the media refuse to ask ?

4) This is a carbon copy of what they did in the Qatar world cup, they fabricated huge sections of the stadiums, and then fitted them together like a Meccano set. There will be a large factory near the ship canal, that will be able to manufacture the sections. They will need a large crane at wharfside for this.

This was posted earlier. No idea if true, but sounds plausible.

 

[flb]

This was posted earlier. No idea if true, but sounds plausible.

If the Egyptians could build the pyramids then the logistical side of the build isn’t really a problem , shipped in , craned off , put into situ very easily , Trafford Park could easily cope with a stadium build , i do think we are forgetting that United own a large slice of land around the stadium

 

[bluethrunthru]

This was posted earlier. No idea if true, but sounds plausible.

Its madness - my late mum could get a net curtain up in half an hour - I am sure she could have covered the swamp in net curtain in a week at a fraction of the cost

 

[decmancity]

Not a fucking chance that stadium will ever be built. Just bollocks from the rags to try stay relevant as they keep sinking down the league

 

[BigJoe#1]

I'm pretty certain that any government would have to get involved in a project as huge as this would be, if Badenoch was prime minister I can 100% guarantee that her government would be saying the same thing.
If you take out the political and footballing tribalism out of it you'd probably agree. If Salford Reds or whoever plays at Old Trafford Cricket Ground (Lancashire I guess?) wanted to expand or build a new ground and the government (local or national) agreed to get involved and use the project as a focal point to allow them regenerate and invest in the area, on top of the money put in by the sporting bodies involved then there wouldn't be this outcry. I'd go so far as to say that if a government saw an opportunity to bring money into the country and to get a good return on their investment into a project then they've been pretty damp negligent in their duties if they don't get involved.
Having said that, it still feels like you're creating this into an issue to get angry about as the link to the Mirror article states that the government would look into getting involved in regenerating the area but none of the money will go to the sporting side of the project and even that article doesn't say the extent that the government would get involved and what they would get back from the project in the long term. How can you be so upset when we have little to no information about a project that almost certainly won't go ahead to the extent that United's PR team are trying to alleged? If the government put £2m into regenerating an area and got £5m (arbitrary figures pulled out of thin air, like a lot of the facts and figures used in these stories) back over time would that be fine with you? Or would it only be fine if it was a Conservative or Reform UK government doing it? Or would it be OK if the project was elsewhere in the country and didn't involve United?
As I said a lot of the whingeing going on seems to come from a place of sporting, or going off the language of your posts more likely, political tribalism. That is unless I missed the outpouring of wailing and gnashing of teeth when Boris Johnson approved the use of publiic funds in a similar manner to that suggested in Trafford when Spurs built their stadium.

Mayor approves ambitious plans to redevelop Spurs’ stadium

The Mayor has given final approval for the £400m development of Tottenham's new stadium.

www.london.gov.uk

Or the Merseyside council approved money to be used as part of the regeneration of the area around Everton's new stadium.

Combined Authority announces up to £45m plan to support region’s biggest regeneration project in more than a decade

<p>Funding will provide jobs, training and improved health and wellbeing for local people as well as act as a catalyst for ‘transformational regeneration’ of north docks and area around Goodison Park.</p>

www.liverpoolcityregion-ca.gov.uk

The issue here for me is all about this Government appearing on every media platform pleading poverty and blaming the previous government for a £22bn black hole, taking money off pensioners, increasing employers NI and then pledging to sink money into a high risk project that is quite likely to fail. Yeah and the fact it is United does get to me too.

Is it really a necessary project? There are many other worthy causes that could do with that kind of cash injection.