US Politics Thread

buckshot said:
This is going to play out in one of two ways:
1. DeSantis wins Iowa and NH and 40% of the GQP accuses him of rigging both elections and they abandon the party and sit out 2024
2. Trump wins and gets absolutely smashed in 2024 because non-racist Americans are tired of his shit.
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I like both of these outcomes.
 
buckshot said:
This is going to play out in one of two ways:
1. DeSantis wins Iowa and NH and 40% of the GQP accuses him of rigging both elections and they abandon the party and sit out 2024
2. Trump wins and gets absolutely smashed in 2024 because non-racist Americans are tired of his shit.
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Yeah it's hard to see how they come together around a single candidate. Basically GOPers have two choices and there's is plenty not to like about whichever one they don't side with.

It's 50:50 but I suspect 1 will prevail. All on the assumption he will end up in jail before the first votes are cast. I think that is slightly more probable than a 50:50 chance. Buy then he could win from a jail cell.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I admire this thoughtful attempt to express confusion at Trump’s strategy. And you’re of course right. But perhaps I can clarify. He doesn’t give a flying motherfuck at the moment if he wins or loses, or about converting non-believers. He’s running because he thinks being a candidate for President makes it more difficult for him to be prosecuted for a now reasonably wide series of crimes. He can always claim he’s being persecuted for his politics. And to be fair if Nixon’s history is any guide it’s probably the best card in his hand. Nixon’s own staff — like Al Haig — and Senate Republicans were worried any effort to “force” or even convince Nixon to resign might be later perceived as a coup.

It also allows him to raise money, feed his insane narcissism and quite potentially foment violence that will physically and mentally harm those he perceives as his enemies (which is anyone who doesn’t offer him full fealty, as he’s a megalomaniacal paranoid).
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Spot on FogBlue.

A minor quibble though... I very much think that Trump actually - desperately - viscerally - wants become the President in 2024. Trump's upbringing compels him to this end.

As a hypothetical - let's say that there were no charges whatsoever - neither civil nor criminal - pending against Trump. In this hypothetical situation - do you think he'd still run for office? My own answer to this question is, "Of course he'd run!"

Trump's upbringing is well-documented; it resulted in a deranged personality, one aspect of which is that losing is an intolerable sign of weakness. Trump must always win - must always be "the best." In his warped-reality mindset, he cannot accept that he lost the 2020 election.

I could go on and on about this personality defect in Trump - e.g., his insistence that he drew the largest ever crowd for his inaugural address, his fake Time magazine cover, his repeated claim that he's the best President ever (save for perhaps good ole Abe Lincoln), his statements about how the Emmy Awards were rigged against him, etc.

Trump hates losers and by extension, losing. It's anathema that he might lose - ever. Which leads me to conclude that he's compelled to run for President in 2024 with the full intention of winning (other factors notwithstanding), as a sort of personal redemption. And if he wins, he's going to attempt to punish everyone associated with the running of the 2020 election, save those few corrupt individuals who were trying to overturn election results in his favor.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:


Gee, this sounds vaguely familiar. Where have I heard this before? Oh . . . I remember!

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Me? - two admiral qualities that spring to mind are "Truth" and "Virtue." Neither of which I'd associate with a Huckabee - despicable father nor poisoned-apple daughter.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Spot on FogBlue.

A minor quibble though... I very much think that Trump actually - desperately - viscerally - wants become the President in 2024. Trump's upbringing compels him to this end.

As a hypothetical - let's say that there were no charges whatsoever - whether civil or criminal - pending against Trump. In this hypothetical situation - do you think he'd still run for office? My own answer to this question is, "Of course he'd run!"

Trump's upbringing is well-documented; it resulted in a deranged personality, one aspect of which is that losing is an intolerable sign of weakness. Trump must always win - must always be "the best." In his warped-reality mindset, he cannot accept that he lost the 2020 election.

I could go on and on about this personality defect in Trump - e.g., his insistence that he drew the largest ever crowd for his inaugural address, his fake Time magazine cover, his repeated claim that he's the best President ever (save for perhaps good ole Abe Lincoln), his statements about how the Emmy Awards were rigged against him, etc.

Trump hates losers and by extension, losing. It's anathema that he might lose - ever. Which leads me to conclude that he's compelled to run for President in 2024 with the full intention of winning (other factors notwithstanding), as a sort of personal redemption. And if he wins, he's going to attempt to punish everyone associated with the running of the 2020 election, save those few corrupt individuals who were trying to overturn election results in his favor.
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This is all fair which is why I mentioned the other reasons — but he didn’t expect nor like the JOB of President — not the responsibility, just the trappings. As long as he could use the role to hurt others, he got some satisfaction/ego gratification.
 
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