US Politics Thread

This post illustrates just how fucked up so-called free speech is.

We are now free to pick and chose our realities by listening to and believing broadcasts that echo our beliefs.

Worse still is upcoming... what happens when AI and Internet hacking combine to worst effect?

Credible-seeming posts from trusted outlets can easily be faked - probably now - but certainly in the next few years. Actors hostile to the US/UK/Democracy will certainly exploit this.

And then... what?

IMO, there needs to be a huge change in free speech laws to align with modernity.

There needs to be an authority in charge of flagging political speech as truthful or not. And there needs to be a trusted stamp of approval - backed by cryptography that's (virtually) impossible to crack - even in the advent that quantum computing becomes practical (it eventually will).

Otherwise, no one knows what's true or false, and there's zero chance that decisions can rationally be made.
I feel sad.
I live in this country all my life. I don't live in Xinjiang, but it's not some mysterious place. Many people have some family members, classmates, friends, who live in Xinjiang. It's a place if i buy a ticket now, I can be there tomorrow.
It's a lie. Everybody , we are the people here living on the ground, we know it.
Those media, they lie to you .
feeling depressed
 
I feel sad.
I live in this country all my life. I don't live in Xinjiang, but it's not some mysterious place. Many people have some family members, classmates, friends, who live in Xinjiang. It's a place if i buy a ticket now, I can be there tomorrow.
It's a lie. Everybody , we are the people here living on the ground, we know it.
Those media, they lie to you .
feeling depressed
And there you go... yet another someone in the echo chamber of mistruth who will never, ever be convinced that he's listening to lies.
 
And there you go... yet another someone in the echo chamber of mistruth who will never, ever be convinced that he's listening to lies.


If the Clinton fiasco and the Brexit fuck up hasn't taught you anything yet then there is no hope. The world is an echo chamber and depending on who you're listening to you're getting completely different information.
 
But who do you believe? There is no final arbiter at all in the political space or the media.
Reread my previous posts.

I'm arguing that there needs to be an arbiter, otherwise there's no knowing what's true versus what's false. And it's going to get exponentially less clear in a few years once AI kicks in.

There needs to be a massive, massive change in what constitutes free speech - otherwise what is true is completely unknown.

I think that free speech can largely be maintained - except that there needs to be:
1) Cryptographically unbreakable stamps showing who is claiming what;
2) An arbiter of truth, cryptographically stamping posts as unverified/untrue/misleading or verified.

I think that 1 and 2 above are possible; and moreover, are necessary.
 
Reread my previous posts.

I'm arguing that there needs to be an arbiter, otherwise there's no knowing what's true versus what's false. And it's going to get exponentially less clear in a few years once AI kicks in.

There needs to be a massive, massive change in what constitutes free speech - otherwise what is true is completely unknown.


There isn't an arbiter because there isn't anyone fit enough to be one and with the amount of lies and misinformation out there you'd need an army of them.

This is the truth it's happening now and unless you live in a dictatorship where your democratic rights are infringed it will always happen when you get to vote or decide through information given to you in bad faith.

Sleepy Joe Biden
Cheeto boy
Cackling Kamala

Rishi Sunak
Sir Keir Starmer

All ridiculed, nobody respects politicians mainly because they are liars, I console myself with the knowledge that unless we live in an outright autocracy where we have no fake democracy to cling onto then I will just lean back watch the mental gymnastics of people explaining why their side is the best.
 
There isn't an arbiter because there isn't anyone fit enough to be one and with the amount of lies and misinformation out there you'd need an army of them.

This is the truth it's happening now and unless you live in a dictatorship where your democratic right are infringed it will always happen when you get to vote or decide through information given to you in bad faith.

Sleepy Joe Biden
Cheeto boy
Cackling Kamala

Rishi Sunak
Sir Keir Starmer

All ridiculed, nobody respects politicians mainly because they are liars, I console myself with the knowledge that unless we live in an outright autocracy where we have no fake democracy to cling onto then I will just lean back watch the mental gymnastics of people explaining why their side is the best.
Completely disagree.

At some level, there's trust. Perhaps a bit flawed, but still so.

In the US - as a for example - it's a jury of trial among 12 peers. In the UK and elsewhere other examples no doubt exist. Trust may be misplaced or wrong at times - yet still, it's more often than not accurate.

If there's no trust in anyone or any institution whatsoever to authenticate a post or comment as truthful or based in truth - then society is totally fucked. I don't think that this is the case.
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Let's carry this to the extreme.

There's no trust.

And then an election for President occurs.

A wins over B by a landslide. B claims that the election is fake.

There is zero trust. Who knows WTF happened? Chaos. Riots. Possible civil war.

If trust cannot be established this is the inevitable result. If trust can be established - I think it can - then my thinking that free speech must be regulated at least in part by a trust mechanism is inescapable.
 
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Completely disagree.

At some level, there's trust. Perhaps a bit flawed, but still so.

In the US, it's a jury of trial among 12 peers - just as an example. In the UK and elsewhere other examples no doubt exist.

If there's no trust in anyone or any institution whatsoever to authenticate a post or comment as truthful or based in truth - then society is totally fucked. I don't think that this is the case.

Where are your army of arbiters bringing fake news to book? It isn't going to happen, it just isn't feasible.

From time to time I watch the senate meetings to decide nominees etc for lifetime appointments and the amount of skulduggery on display is astounding, it's pure theatre it's an abomination how the candidates weasel their way out of questions posed to them (This isn't just a US problem it's democracies in general).

Accept we don't really live in a utopian democracy and never will but take the small wins or we will end up living in an autocracy where decisions are rights are removed and decisions made for us.
 

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