US Politics Thread

[The blue phantom]

Biden has drifted to 7/1 in the last hour to be next president while there's been heavy money for Harris and Newsome.

Somethings brewing.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And though it's been my home for 35 years, sadly i now agree.

I take no pleasure whatsoever in it. It’s truly sad.

It’s astonishing how quickly it’s unraveling and it’s difficult to see where or how it ends.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

thanks, that's roughly what I thought - state, unless there are multiple across state lines, or something.

Was just wondering about how many Trump could pardon or claim had been given official sanction.

A President can only pardon Federal crimes, not State crimes. One can commit a Federal crime in any State, but State crimes are particular to the respective State.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Any President can only pardon Federal crimes, not State crimes.

Until the USC get invited by Trump to write an opinion on it.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Until the USC get invited by Trump to write an opinion on it.

That’s one that I don’t think even this Court could weasel.

P.S. In the U.S., USC is the abbreviation for the University of Southern California, not the SCOTUS.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

That’s one that I don’t think even this Court could weasel.

P.S. In the U.S., USC is the abbreviation for the University of Southern California, not the SCOTUS.

They can do what the fuck they want, mate.

Sorry, yes my bad.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

The fucking state of that country. It’s fucked.

The Supreme Court have tied Judge Merchan’s hands on this one.

As I understand it, they didn’t just rule that official acts have presumed immunity, but they also introduced a new evidentiary standard (possibly the most fucked up part of the whole thing) that says any official actions or communications during the presidency are inadmissible as evidence in a criminal trial. Even for a crime that happened outside the temporal bounds of the presidency.

The hush money trial relied on evidence which related to Trump’s interactions with Hope Hicks during the presidency along with the fact he signed his illegal checks from the White House. This obviously was fine at the time but it’s uncertain that it now meets this new criteria.

This means we have a pretty unprecedented situation where he has been convicted of felonies but now the evidentiary standard has changed post factum. It seems that pretty much the only thing the judge can do now is declare a mistrial and re-try him, which may involve another trip to the Supreme Court to see if the evidence they used previously is admissible under their new guidelines.

This can of worms the SC have opened up will therefore contaminate every case he is tried for. A lot of the evidence for the Docs case is now in jeopardy, the Jan 6th case and the Georgia rico case will rely on him persuading people that slating false electors constitutes an official act, and they need to prove he did that without any “official” communications like the call with Raffensperger where he asked for more votes.

It has fucked everything. It’s almost like that is what they had in mind.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The Supreme Court have tied Judge Merchan’s hands on this one.

As I understand it, they didn’t just rule that official acts have presumed immunity, but they also introduced a new evidentiary standard (possibly the most fucked up part of the whole thing) that says any official actions or communications during the presidency are inadmissible as evidence in a criminal trial. Even for a crime that happened outside the temporal bounds of the presidency.

The hush money trial relied on evidence which related to Trump’s interactions with Hope Hicks during the presidency along with the fact he signed his illegal checks from the White House. This obviously was fine at the time but it’s uncertain that it now meets this new criteria.

This means we have a pretty unprecedented situation where he has been convicted of felonies but now the evidentiary standard has changed post factum. It seems that pretty much the only thing the judge can do now is declare a mistrial and re-try him, which may involve another trip to the Supreme Court to see if the evidence they used previously is admissible under their new guidelines.

This can of worms the SC have opened up will therefore contaminate every case he is tried for. A lot of the evidence for the Docs case is now in jeopardy, the Jan 6th case and the Georgia rico case will rely on him persuading people that slating false electors constitutes an official act, and they need to prove he did that without any “official” communications like the call with Raffensperger where he asked for more votes.

It has fucked everything. It’s almost like that is what they had in mind.

This all stems from an 18th Century document that has been found pitifully wanting.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

They can do what the fuck they want, mate.

Sorry, yes my bad.

They can do what they want, but as a far right wing Court, they are strong supporters of States’ Rights.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

The Supreme Court have tied Judge Merchan’s hands on this one.

As I understand it, they didn’t just rule that official acts have presumed immunity, but they also introduced a new evidentiary standard (possibly the most fucked up part of the whole thing) that says any official actions or communications during the presidency are inadmissible as evidence in a criminal trial. Even for a crime that happened outside the temporal bounds of the presidency.

The hush money trial relied on evidence which related to Trump’s interactions with Hope Hicks during the presidency along with the fact he signed his illegal checks from the White House. This obviously was fine at the time but it’s uncertain that it now meets this new criteria.

This means we have a pretty unprecedented situation where he has been convicted of felonies but now the evidentiary standard has changed post factum. It seems that pretty much the only thing the judge can do now is declare a mistrial and re-try him, which may involve another trip to the Supreme Court to see if the evidence they used previously is admissible under their new guidelines.

This can of worms the SC have opened up will therefore contaminate every case he is tried for. A lot of the evidence for the Docs case is now in jeopardy, the Jan 6th case and the Georgia rico case will rely on him persuading people that slating false electors constitutes an official act, and they need to prove he did that without any “official” communications like the call with Raffensperger where he asked for more votes.

It has fucked everything. It’s almost like that is what they had in mind.

Makes Nixon’s resignation seem almost quaint now, as Watergate wouldn’t even be a crime now, would it?!