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mat said:
Biden runs then Trump will run.

He'll sell it like it's a boxing rematch. The only way he won't is if the DOJ have arrested him for Jan 6. Which I could be possible but they have to get their arse in gear and justify it as not politicising the department.
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He might run to eliminate the possibility (however slight) of being arrested. Imagine arresting your political opponent as a sitting President. But I suspect a primary might break the GOP in two the longer this Jan 6 thing goes on. Not to mention Trump’s other legal and money troubles. Going to be hard for him to reach people without ubiquitous social media platforms. DeSantis isn’t going to accept a VP slot. Still not sure who emerges for Democrats if it isn’t Biden. I still want The Rock.
 
mancity1 said:
I didn't attack you as you allude to I just said that misinformation can be found everywhere if you choose to look for it and I thought you concurred with that sentiment.

Is misinformation a concern , well yes it probably is for some but its engrained in politics particularly those who wish to be career politicians and have to or choose to compromise their wish to be a representative of the constituents and that is all as it was around well before Trump and will be around long after his is gone.

Today largely due to the media cycle and soundbites that rule the narrative and social media its thrust upon those that wish to part take more often than in the past.

I don't share you view that US democracy is at a knife edge in terms of the electoral process.

Trump lost the last election fair and square , the voters spoke and as I have said many times he is a sore loser.

As for Fog I have said many times he makes for interesting exchange but if he disagrees with a point of view and is passionate about a response look out.

My view on him hasn't changed despite the fact I think he has exquisite taste and an excellent appreciation of music and the reasons why and his ability to explain why in terms of the pros and cons in a precise fashion that alone to me at least is worth reading.
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I think the reason why your opposing posters don't 'like' your comments, even when they make sense to everyone in the outlook across politics, is because it looks like they concede ground.

There are many things to agree with and yet they fear losing face to agree with you. These are, supposedly, intelligent posters that seem to think politics is black and white when, in fact, politics is the blurring of policies when it comes to the centre ground. The likes of you and I see this.

There are some really small aspects of right wing thinking I will, reluctantly agree with, but only because it makes sense (such as the controversial docu 'What is a Woman?' and I detest the guy that made it).

I dislike 90% of how Dax thinks, but I'll appreciate the things that make sense, but the people on this thread are immature 'neolib warriors' who are easily distracted whilst the world around them suffers.

Like I've been saying for quite a while now, neolib policies are unsustainable and you cannot serve two masters of corporation and the working citizen.

We are seeing the seeds sown beginning to bloom in the West.
 
mat said:
Biden runs then Trump will run.

He'll sell it like it's a boxing rematch. The only way he won't is if the DOJ have arrested him for Jan 6. Which I could be possible but they have to get their arse in gear and justify it as not politicising the department.
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Trump is not getting arrested.

He's not getting charged.

This is theatre.
 
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Bigga said:
I think the reason why your opposing posters don't 'like' your comments, even when they make sense to everyone in the outlook across politics, is because it looks like they concede ground.

There are many things to agree with and yet they fear losing face to agree with you. These are, supposedly, intelligent posters that seem to think politics is black and white when, in fact, politics is the blurring of policies when it comes to the centre ground. The likes of you and I see this.

There are some really small aspects of right wing thinking I will, reluctantly agree with, but only because it makes sense (such as the controversial docu 'What is a Woman?' and I detest the guy that made it).

I dislike 90% of how Dax thinks, but I'll appreciate the things that make sense, but the people on this thread are immature 'neolib warriors' who are easily distracted whilst the world around them suffers.

Like I've been saying for quite a while now, neolib policies are unsustainable and you cannot serve two masters of corporation and the working citizen.

We are seeing the seeds sown beginning to bloom in the West.
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Am I a neo-lib?
 
Bigga said:
If you're someone who leans towards Biden than Sanders, towards Starmer than Corbyn, don't mind corporations making billions with no cap whilst people struggle with working to live, don't mind war over dialogue, then you can decide for yourself.
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Just checking if you knew what it meant or was just using it as an insult.
 
mat said:
Biden runs then Trump will run.

He'll sell it like it's a boxing rematch. The only way he won't is if the DOJ have arrested him for Jan 6. Which I could be possible but they have to get their arse in gear and justify it as not politicising the department.
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Trump is finished. He is just noise aimed at fundraising money for personal gain. Being President was only about that anyway, now he isn't he is making a mint about not being so. He won't risk any of that by actually doing it again. Far more coin in pretending he wants to be again and moaning about not still being it. Just a conman, you're overthinking it.
 
Bigga said:
If you're someone who leans towards Biden than Sanders, towards Starmer than Corbyn, don't mind corporations making billions with no cap whilst people struggle with working to live, don't mind war over dialogue, then you can decide for yourself.
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I didn't understand this.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Extremely interesting and informative analysis on the makeup of the Republican party and the waning power of the religious right. For example, it turns out that only 32% or regular Republican church-goers voted for Trump!
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Sam Seder thinks that American media's response to the 1/6 hearings is surprising - I do not, as I've detailed above. At any rate, worthwhile viewing Sam's perspective:
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What a Centrist News from Centrist sources everywhere :)
 
Bigga said:
If you're someone who leans towards Biden than Sanders, towards Starmer than Corbyn, don't mind corporations making billions with no cap whilst people struggle with working to live, don't mind war over dialogue, then you can decide for yourself.
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While I may be a neo-lib, I don’t look at it this way. If I thought Sanders had a better chance of defeating Trump than Biden, I would have voted for Sanders in the primary. And if he had won the nomination I would have happily voted for him and encouraged others to despite the fact that I disagree with him on some topics/ideas (but not all).

I think it can be very hard to grasp what a broad-based threat Trump and Trumpism was and is to America and why I will staunchly support anyone opposing it and those who have the best chance to defeat it. It is a real and immediate threat to the Union still which is why, while Jan 6 is always going to be “theater” like the Watergate hearings were, it’s critical theater. If you don’t stop and punish those who would destroy the sanctity of the electoral process, ALL voices are silenced and no one is better off, regardless of social-economic status, race, creed, whatever — even those who think they are better off in the short run (because they won’t be as soon as they begin to think differently than the autocrat/despot in control).

I just think we’re bringing the wrong drink to today’s party. I understand frustration with incrementalism. I just think we ALL have a bigger problem right now and Jan 6 amplified it 1000-fold. I do think the next wave of American politics is far more progressive and agree with you wholeheartedly that progressives are under-voiced — it just doesn’t come off like that when I write because I need any and every Dem to win regardless of stripe to defeat the greater threat.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
While I may be a neo-lib, I don’t look at it this way. If I thought Sanders had a better chance of defeating Trump than Biden, I would have voted for Sanders in the primary. And if he had won the nomination I would have happily voted for him and encouraged others to despite the fact that I disagree with him on a wide variety of topics.

I think it can be very hard to grasp what a broad-based threat Trump and Trumpism was and is to America and why I will staunchly support anyone opposing it and those who have the best chance to defeat it. It is a real and immediate threat to the Union still which is why, while Jan 6 is always going to be “theater” like the Watergate hearings were, it’s critical theater. If you don’t stop and punish those who would destroy the sanctity of the electoral process, ALL voices are silenced and no one is better off, regardless of social-economic status, race, creed, whatever — even those who think they are in the short run (because they won’t be as soon as they begin to think differently than the autocrat/despot in control).

I just think we’re bringing the wrong drink to today’s party. I understand frustration with incrementalism. I just think we ALL have a bigger problem right now and Jan 6 amplified it 1000-fold.
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SCOTUS ruled today that even more nuts can have guns less than 5 months before the midterms. We have proud boys, oath keepers, other militias as well as political candidates/members of congress calling for violence. This November is going to be part 2 of the trilogy and 2024 will be the end imo. People are going to die.
 
Bigga said:
If you're someone who leans towards Biden than Sanders, towards Starmer than Corbyn, don't mind corporations making billions with no cap whilst people struggle with working to live, don't mind war over dialogue, then you can decide for yourself.
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What if you’re the first of those things in terms of who you lean to because you think they might have a broader appeal and therefore be more electable but you’re not the rest? You do know it’s more nuanced than you suggest
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
While I may be a neo-lib, I don’t look at it this way. If I thought Sanders had a better chance of defeating Trump than Biden, I would have voted for Sanders in the primary. And if he had won the nomination I would have happily voted for him and encouraged others to despite the fact that I disagree with him on some topics/ideas (but not all).

I think it can be very hard to grasp what a broad-based threat Trump and Trumpism was and is to America and why I will staunchly support anyone opposing it and those who have the best chance to defeat it. It is a real and immediate threat to the Union still which is why, while Jan 6 is always going to be “theater” like the Watergate hearings were, it’s critical theater. If you don’t stop and punish those who would destroy the sanctity of the electoral process, ALL voices are silenced and no one is better off, regardless of social-economic status, race, creed, whatever — even those who think they are better off in the short run (because they won’t be as soon as they begin to think differently than the autocrat/despot in control).

I just think we’re bringing the wrong drink to today’s party. I understand frustration with incrementalism. I just think we ALL have a bigger problem right now and Jan 6 amplified it 1000-fold. I do think the next wave of American politics is far more progressive and agree with you wholeheartedly that progressives are under-voiced — it just doesn’t come off like that when I write because I need any and every Dem to win regardless of stripe to defeat the greater threat.
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There is a LOT to pick the bones of here...

What you've, essentially, done is conflate a lot of things into one situation, so if we're going follow that notion, then what the main problem is, is classism. That is already playing out as I said it would. You've seen the Amazon workers railing against their company and you see it here with the rail strikes.

I don't believe you thought 'Sanders didn't have a chance against Trump' because of this very reason. Trump used classism to get himself in before walking away. Biden has done the same.

The difference between neolibs, right and left, is the exacting of policy instead of promises that are reneged upon once through the door.

You don't want to believe the American citizen (much like here) were sold a false option of who was best to lead these countries by legacy media with vested interests.

It turns out both Sanders and Corbyn policies have deemed to be wildly popular after the fact.

The only reason 'Jan 6th' exists is because the domino effect of the above.

But, let me get back on point; you know nothing will happen to Trump when it comes to charges because the way US media is, it hyper-sensationalises the urgency of US politics which is why there's more incredulity here than in your own country. People see it all the time there.

Your media cries 'Wolf!' a lot. So much so, that your committees present as toothless when it presents 'urgency'. If your country never jailed Nixon, what are they going to do to Trump? Nothing.

Plus you have the fringe loonies that threaten a civil war if anything happens. It's theatre. It might as well be an episode of 'Marvel's 'What If?'.

Failed policies saw Trump walk straight into the White House.

That's the Dems fault and nobody else's as they chose to serve corporation over people.

I rambled a bit as I'm tired and it's been a very long day.
 
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