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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Also further alienates female voters. Stupid fucking ****.
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As I said earlier in the thread, the issue with selecting Vance (and his tech bro / VC blood money) isn’t that he doesn’t bring any voters to Trump (that wasn’t why he was selected), it’s that he sends people that likely wouldn’t have voted to Harris, including young women who detest him (and those like him) even more than Trump, because they are seeing that Christian white nationalists are actually the ones pulling the strings.

I literally had a young women tell me yesterday that she signed up to canvas her neighbourhood because “I’ll be a fucking cut lady if I want to be a fucking cat lady, he can go fuck himself with a quiver if that is what he is in to. I doubt his wife willing does anymore.”
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Just so. I had no idea that she was this articulate and charismatic. She's a very polished and compelling speaker.
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I knew when I saw her speech after Biden got elected, was well impressed.
I’ve mentioned a few times when Biden was showing signs of frality ages ago that why doesn’t Harris take over - but most played her down and said she wasn’t liked.

Glad that she’s currently smashing it and still has that same spark she did a few years ago.
 
There's a lot of positivity about Kamala Harris in this thread but the odds for Trump are shortening over the last few days which is a bit worrying.
 
SebastianBlue said:
As I said earlier in the thread, the issue with selecting Vance (and his tech bro / VC blood money) isn’t that he doesn’t bring any voters to Trump (that wasn’t why he was selected), it’s that he sends people that likely wouldn’t have voted to Harris, including young women who detest him (and those like him) even more than Trump, because they are seeing that Christian white nationalists are actually the ones pulling the strings.

I literally had a young women tell me yesterday that she signed up to canvas her neighbourhood because “I’ll be a fucking cut lady if I want to be a fucking cat lady, he can go fuck himself with a quiver if that is what he is in to. I doubt his wife willing does anymore.”
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I think the cat lady comment could be his ‘read my lips, no new taxes’ moment.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I knew when I saw her speech after Biden got elected, was well impressed.
I’ve mentioned a few times when Biden was showing signs of frality ages ago that why doesn’t Harris take over - but most played her down and said she wasn’t liked.

Glad that she’s currently smashing it and still has that same spark she did a few years ago.
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She isn't well-liked -- look at her favo(u)rability ratings -- and back in 2020 I posted about a guy I had dinner with (friend of a friend) who was on her primary campaign staff and said she is an organiz(s)ational disaster. Politically she and I disagree about plenty.

There's plenty policy/politics-wise about her Trump could use effectively to undercut her, but he and the platformless, brainless idiots who make up the GOP talking heads have been so reliant on stupid personal insults and and lies and trolling and photoshopping and driving their message down to a very narrow base that they are completely at sea and off balance right now on how to combat her.

But I too am glad -- so far so good at any rate -- and more power to her. Anyone or anything that keeps the orange Ubercunt and the lickspittle patch of pubic hair who poses as his VP candidate out of the WH has my full and enthusiastic support.
 
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hcblue95 said:
There's a lot of positivity about Kamala Harris in this thread but the odds for Trump are shortening over the last few days which is a bit worrying.
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He was 1/7 at one stage a few weeks ago

Now he’s 1/2

Still favourite but odds are definitely narrowing
 
hcblue95 said:
There's a lot of positivity about Kamala Harris in this thread but the odds for Trump are shortening over the last few days which is a bit worrying.
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No they aren't , I check it on Betfair all the time Kamala is coming in and slight drift on Trump. Don't pay attention to any bookies except the exchanges.
 
Scottyboi said:
No they aren't , I check it on Betfair all the time Kamala is coming in and slight drift on Trump. Don't pay attention to any bookies except the exchanges.
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I've just been checking oddschecker since Biden pulled out of the race and thought she'd drifted slightly over the last 2 or 3 days but I could well be wrong.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There is no way this train hasn’t been on the tracks for several weeks.
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This is interesting. I'm a bit of a Watergate buff, and one of the key elements of Nixon's resignation was his staff's insistence that resigning never be suggested to him directly as a course of action because of fears about doing so being perceived by history as a coup d'etat. It was very important that Nixon alone make the decision to resign. You could provide him with information of his support going to zero, but not offer resignation as "the only" possible course of action he could take in response.

I think something similar has happened here. I do think up until the debate there was likely little thought of Biden stepping down, but a smart group of staff (Biden's or Harris's) would have been making contingency plans as they watched the President slowly lose his faculties. But I feel confident that when Bob Woodward writes this book, we'll find the same dynamic whereby the staff was planning, and providing Biden with data on public perception, but never suggested directly that stepping aside was the best or only tack to take. Like Nixon I believe Biden firmly felt he could continue in the role up until just before he realized what was best for the nation.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
This is interesting. I'm a bit of a Watergate buff, and one of the key elements of Nixon's resignation was his staff's insistence that resigning never be suggested to him directly as a course of action because of fears about doing so being perceived by history as a coup d'etat. It was very important that Nixon alone make the decision to resign. You could provide him with information of his support going to zero, but not offer resignation as "the only" possible course of action he could take in response.

I think something similar has happened here. I do think up until the debate there was likely little thought of Biden stepping down, but a smart group of staff (Biden's or Harris's) would have been making contingency plans as they watched the President slowly lose his faculties. But I feel confident that when Bob Woodward writes this book, we'll find the same dynamic whereby the staff was planning, and providing Biden with data on public perception, but never suggested directly that stepping aside was the best or only tack to take. Like Nixon I believe Biden firmly felt he could continue in the role up until just before he realized what was best for the nation.
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As you say, interesting. And Harris would have spotted this. And seen her big chance.

She has stepped into the breach with too much purpose and gusto to not have been in training for this for many weeks.
 
Hopefully, her VP pick will give her a bump. Then, there will be a convention bounce. Then, we will settle into the real meaty part of both campaigns, and BILLIONS of dollars will be spent on ads and getting out the vote!

As polls go, the Dem candidate generally has to be at least a few points up nationally to squeeze out an electoral victory, as their votes are far more concentrated in the urban areas of each state.

It’s weird irony that so much money flows into red states, yet they tout small govt and keeping it out of their lives….as long as the cheques clear and they get their govt assistance for everything from the food on their table to the proportionately larger share of medical care they use.

Murica…lots of us ain’t the sharpest tools in the shed!!
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
This is interesting. I'm a bit of a Watergate buff, and one of the key elements of Nixon's resignation was his staff's insistence that resigning never be suggested to him directly as a course of action because of fears about doing so being perceived by history as a coup d'etat. It was very important that Nixon alone make the decision to resign.
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Wasn't Barry Goldwater the one who talked to Nixon and persuaded him to go? There was a political cartoon from the time by Nicholas Garland (I think in the Daily Telegraph, you can probably find it in a search) that showed Nixon standing on a high ledge with Goldwater leaning out of a window saying "Don't do it Dick - jump!"
 
AliBobbyJ said:
Wasn't Barry Goldwater the one who talked to Nixon and persuaded him to go? There was a political cartoon from the time by Nicholas Garland (I think in the Daily Telegraph, you can probably find it in a search) that showed Nixon standing on a high ledge with Goldwater leaning out of a window saying "Don't do it Dick - jump!"
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Goldwater was late to turn against Nixon but he was part of the contingent of three who spoke with him the evening before he decided to quit and gave Nixon a very dour assessment of his chance (“no chance”, in fact) to avoid impeachment by the House and Senate — including telling Nixon specifically that he, Goldwater, was undecided at that moment.
 
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