US Politics Thread

[Zuriblue]

A few of those are true and a few should be.

However, you seem like a bit of a ****, so I think I’ll avoid you.

I have to say I have come to the same conclusion as you did except he doesn't seem to have the warmth or the depth.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I have to say I have come to the same conclusion as you did except he doesn't seem to have the warmth or the depth.

He said he didn’t vote for Trump and hates him, but I’m beginning to think in fact that though he hates him, he voted for him anyhow. Also a lack of engagement except in antagonistic terms and a lot of copy and paste is getting tiresome now.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

He said he didn’t vote for Trump and hates him, but I’m beginning to think in fact that though he hates him, he voted for him anyhow. Also a lack of engagement except in antagonistic terms and a lot of copy and paste is getting tiresome now.

There is a Trump thread that a lot of the stuff being done to death in here probably should reside. Certainly all the pro and anti Trump dedicated arguments could be kept there.
Now I’m fully aware I’m probably one of the worst culprits for going off theme but I have now, a couple of times, tried to debate actual American systems ( which I am being educated in) and also the likely impact of Trump’s incoming government and cabinet, should they pursue keeping his promises.
Indeed, is there any real desire to pursue his economics.
That is of as much interest to me as the regressive ( my view) structural plans that I feel, like a lot of the Democrats’ side in here, are possibly anti-democratic.
I know a lot in here don’t see it that way but from the outside looking in with my limited understanding of how your three houses operate and how your judiciary seems so intertwined, it just unnerves me as to what the ultimate goal is for both Trump and his backing. Because I still see him as a puppet for others determining policy.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

There is a Trump thread that a lot of the stuff being done to death in here probably should reside. Certainly all the pro and anti Trump dedicated arguments could be kept there.
Now I’m fully aware I’m probably one of the worst culprits for going off theme but I have now, a couple of times, tried to debate actual American systems ( which I am being educated in) and also the likely impact of Trump’s incoming government and cabinet, should they pursue keeping his promises.
Indeed, is there any real desire to pursue his economics.
That is of as much interest to me as the regressive ( my view) structural plans that I feel, like a lot of the Democrats’ side in here, are possibly anti-democratic.
I know a lot in here don’t see it that way but from the outside looking in with my limited understanding of how your three houses operate and how your judiciary seems so intertwined, it just unnerves me as to what the ultimate goal is for both Trump and his backing. Because I still see him as a puppet for others determining policy.

These are the open questions that are difficult to answer because he has historically been a wildcard, is now a lame duck so the GOP is slightly less beholden to him, and now that's he protected himself against prosecution and re-polished his wealth-making brand -- the two key reasons for him to run -- it's unclear how policy ends up actually playing a role, because policy requires work, and his history suggests he has little interest in doing any.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

These are the open questions that are difficult to answer because he has historically been a wildcard, is now a lame duck so the GOP is slightly less beholden to him, and now that's he protected himself against prosecution and re-polished his wealth-making brand -- the two key reasons for him to run -- it's unclear how policy ends up actually playing a role, because policy requires work, and his history suggests he has little interest in doing any.

We won’t know until next year and I do feel you are quite correct in a lot of your prognosis.
However the worrying incompletion is perhaps if he himself has designs on staying beyond your constitutional two terms.

Would he hand over to Vance for completion of a higher powers agenda?
Sit back and enjoy his retirement?
Not sure his ego would allow him do that.

If he takes the easy option as you say, how do you and the Reps in here as well, envisage the economy and grass roots level impact being affected.

I like a lot of others on this side of the Atlantic am very interested in where your foreign policy is going to go also.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

We won’t know until next year and I do feel you are quite correct in a lot of your prognosis.
However the worrying incompletion is perhaps if he himself has designs on staying beyond your constitutional two terms.

Would he hand over to Vance for completion of a higher powers agenda?
Sit back and enjoy his retirement?
Not sure his ego would allow him do that.

If he takes the easy option as you say, how do you and the Reps in here as well, envisage the economy and grass roots level impact being affected.

I like a lot of others on this side of the Atlantic am very interested in where your foreign policy is going to go also.

I suspect he'll periodically mention a 3rd term, but the Constitution forbids it. I think they're quite a way yet from overturning that bar.

Also, he'll be 82 by the next election, and he may be in obvious decline. As has been said, the party may be happy to be rid of him and continue with someone smarter and harder working.

The open question is how much of the Project 2025 stuff gets acted on. The huge savings that Musk rants about, and the claimed mass firings of civil servants, etc, could cause mayhem that's difficult to predict right now.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

That’s “opinion” not news!

As for the MSDNC…your slip is showing!

I watch CNN all over the world and find it better than MSNBC or Fox, but I always like to mix it with BBC World. That said, I do like Rachel Maddow’s long form reporting, which I find both factual and detailed, even if her targets are generally on the right.

Maddow's research and attention to detail is spot on. I found her podcasts "Bag Man' and 'Ultra' fascinating and hugely informative.

 

[Dax777]

That’s “opinion” not news!

As for the MSDNC…your slip is showing!

I watch CNN all over the world and find it better than MSNBC or Fox, but I always like to mix it with BBC World. That said, I do like Rachel Maddow’s long form reporting, which I find both factual and detailed, even if her targets are generally on the right.

CNN international is far better than the crap we get served here in the States. I'd give you that. But I find streaming platforms like Rising and breaking points to be far more informative as opinion disseminating platforms than I do the major News Networks.

As for 'MSDNC, I mean, I don't think even they care to deny it

Also, used to love Maddow back in the day, when she used to come on Countdown with Keith Olbermann as a guest. Very intelligent left leaning woman. She mostly bored me these days.

A few of those are true and a few should be.

However, you seem like a bit of a ****, so I think I’ll avoid you.

Nah, Username Required is a breath of Fresh Air. :)

 

[Dax777]

There is a Trump thread that a lot of the stuff being done to death in here probably should reside. Certainly all the pro and anti Trump dedicated arguments could be kept there.
Now I’m fully aware I’m probably one of the worst culprits for going off theme but I have now, a couple of times, tried to debate actual American systems ( which I am being educated in) and also the likely impact of Trump’s incoming government and cabinet, should they pursue keeping his promises.
Indeed, is there any real desire to pursue his economics.
That is of as much interest to me as the regressive ( my view) structural plans that I feel, like a lot of the Democrats’ side in here, are possibly anti-democratic.
I know a lot in here don’t see it that way but from the outside looking in with my limited understanding of how your three houses operate and how your judiciary seems so intertwined, it just unnerves me as to what the ultimate goal is for both Trump and his backing. Because I still see him as a puppet for others determining policy.

In so far as he is the incoming President, it only makes sense that some of the stories and arguments for and against him will end up in the U.S. Politics thread.


I mean the man was out of office for 4 years and half the posts here during that period was still about ridiculing and bashing him.

In spite of having his own thread and not being in office. Even the Biden and Kamala threads became a Trump comparison thread. Rather than a thread focused on their own competence or lack thereof.

But very few saw the need to point out the ' whataboutery' of it all.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

You know this is also true of you me or Blue Maverick, right?

You can easily be knifed tomorrow. Didn't some politician get knifed a few years back?

It's a stupid statement because it's more lusting than any factual observation.

Let me guess... Blue Maverick is a super Elon fan right? I doubt it.

If someone gets knifed over here, its headline news. They don't talk about shootings in America unless its more than 20 kids, in a school.
There is far more chance of you being shot in America than there is of you being stabbed in the UK.