US Politics Thread

mancity2012_eamo said:
We won’t know until next year and I do feel you are quite correct in a lot of your prognosis.
However the worrying incompletion is perhaps if he himself has designs on staying beyond your constitutional two terms.

Would he hand over to Vance for completion of a higher powers agenda?
Sit back and enjoy his retirement?
Not sure his ego would allow him do that.

If he takes the easy option as you say, how do you and the Reps in here as well, envisage the economy and grass roots level impact being affected.

I like a lot of others on this side of the Atlantic am very interested in where your foreign policy is going to go also.
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I think Foggy is mostly wrong in his prognosis.

Let me address each point
1. Lame Duck Presidency: On this he is technically righ. It's his 2nd term so he isn't running again. But that would in effect really kick in after the midterms in 2 years.

Right now he has 2 years to run his agenda. And the Republicans are not supporting him simply because they are beholden to him. They are doing so because it's mostly their agenda. They are Republicans after all. So they will mostly support him. Just like the Democrats would have done to a Democrat President.

2. Two key Reasons Why he ran: Polishing his Wealth brand and avoiding prosecution. This is just silly. Perhaps there is some truth to the latter. Seeing as Democrats are so blood thirsty that they feel a need to jail their opponents. But my sense is had he decided he was done with politics in 2021, none of the prosecutions would have started. They were started to stop him politically. So he could have simply avoided them by simply not running or signalling that he wouldn't run. It's no surprise most of the prosecutions all started late.


As for polishing his Money Making Brand, that's just silly. I don't understand how so many don't see it. He is a 78 year old billionaire... Money is NOT the motivating factor for running...it's obvious what he wants...

A Political Legacy and Adulation of fans...

Those are the 2 things he has been chasing for over a decade. If you fed him some Truth Serum, I'd bet money he'd say what he wants is for the Trump name to be thought of likethe Kennedy name. That's what he really wants! A last legacy. Being a random rich guy doesn't give you that.

3. Wildcard: Yes, on this Foggy is right. He is a wildcard. And he generally intends to break things that haven't worked for ages and bust up traditions that have coalesced around a particular type in Washington for generations.

4. His Policy and Lack of interest in doing work. This also is partly true. Donald Trump himself has little interest in the day to day grind of. Government work. That's not his forte. But we've has a President that did absolutely no work for 4 years so that shouldn't be much of an issue.

But what Donald Trump wants to do is appoint passionate people who have severe and well documented criticisms of certain branches of government that he agrees with, and have those people reorganize how things ought to be done in those departments.

Take any of his cabinet picks ( outside of the Department of Education - which he is clearly in favor of abolishing), any of the others. And simply go Google any long form interviews they've done. on the last 5 years. Ir easily becomes clear why they are on his list.

What you'd find is a throve of videos of them discussing the problems with the very department Trump is now putting them up to lead. They all have strong views about different aspects of the organization they are being tasked to oversee.

Pete Hegseth DOD
Kash Patel: FBI
Tulsi Gabbard: DNI
RFK: HHS
Even the Matt Gaetz at DOJ before he resigned nominations... And on and on....

They all fit the same model, have a passion for how they think that particular organization should be reformed.

Then there is Vivek and Elon at DOGE recommending cuts to the government everywhere. Even Bernie Sanders and a few other populist lefties have gotten on board the idea

From a Bird's eye view, what Trump represents is an Extreme Reformer who is seeking Personal Legacy... Whether he succeeds or fails is a 50/50 proposition. But what he is about to attempt seems pretty massive.

Here are definite predictions. He WILL NOT seek a 3rd term. He'd be 82. The idea he will is so silly. Dude isn't really a politician. People forget that.

And he'd attempt a massive government reform in the next 2 years. Some will be successful and others will get massive push back from entrenched interests.

On the economic front, he'll pass a tax break measure, he'll cut regulations related to oil exploration and production, then on the Presidential Front, he'll sign a bunch of orders to repeat all of Biden's dumb border orders.

Tariffs are going to be a big issue. It's clear he wants to use them as a negotiation tool. But leftists will whine about it so much that they'll probably give away the leverage and force him to backdown before the other countries make concessions.

In Foreign Policy: He'll negotiate his ass off to end the Ukraine/Russia war. And take a no nonsense attitude towards Iran and Qatar as it relates to releasing American born hostages in Hamas's camps.

While all that is going on, the other team will do their best to undermine everything he tries and they'll ascribe some negative personal interest to every action he takes.


One thing is for sure, it's going to be a roller coaster ride the next 2 years. But as it relates to Americans, he needs to speed up the economic recovery ( so it's not just paper good) and shut the border down and remove as many criminals who entered over the last 4 years.
 
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Nightmare Walking said:
If someone gets knifed over here, its headline news. They don't talk about shootings in America unless its more than 20 kids, in a school.
There is far more chance of you being shot in America than there is of you being stabbed in the UK.
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My point wasn't to argue the prevalence of either. But the callousness of the responder.

But I accept the validity of your points.
 
Trump is a lame duck.

The latest Democrat talking-point / let's just redefine terms and see if anyone notices.

Is President Obama a lame duck already?​

While he doesn't quite qualify as a lame-duck president - a term reserved for the 10-week period after a successor has been elected

www.cbsnews.com

Is President Obama a lame duck already?

Scholars say not quite - but an ornery Congress and botched health care rollout aren't helping
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

In politics, a lame duck or outgoing politician is an elected official whose successor has already been elected or will be soon

In U.S. politics, the period between (presidential and congressional) elections in November and the inauguration of officials early in the following year is commonly called the "lame-duck period". A president is a lame duck after a successor has been elected, during which time the outgoing president and president-elect usually embark on a transition of power.

Lame duck (politics) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Dax777 said:
I think Foggy is mostly wrong in his prognosis.

Let me address each point
1. Lame Duck Presidency: On this he is technically righ. It's his 2nd term so he isn't running again. But that would in effect really kick in after the midterms in 2 years.
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He isn't technically right. He's absolutely wrong. It's just another talking-point Dems have been trying to push lately.
 
Username Required said:
He isn't technically right. He's absolutely wrong. It's just another talking-point Dems have been trying to push lately.
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What is wrong with you? Seriously.

My entire point was that BECAUSE he’s not running for re-election again (I know what a “lame duck” is technically — the way I used it meant “not running again”) the GOP is less beholden to move lockstep with him.

It’s not a “Democratic talking point.” Nothing to do with Democrats.

Why do you have to be so officious? Simply no call for it.
 
Dax777 said:
I think Foggy is mostly wrong in his prognosis.

Let me address each point
1. Lame Duck Presidency: On this he is technically righ. It's his 2nd term so he isn't running again. But that would in effect really kick in after the midterms in 2 years.

Right now he has 2 years to run his agenda. And the Republicans are not supporting him simply because they are beholden to him. They are doing so because it's mostly their agenda. They are Republicans after all. So they will mostly support him. Just like the Democrats would have done to a Democrat President.

2. Two key Reasons Why he ran: Polishing his Wealth brand and avoiding prosecution. This is just silly. Perhaps there is some truth to the latter. Seeing as Democrats are so blood thirsty that they feel a need to jail their opponents. But my sense is had he decided he was done with politics in 2021, none of the prosecutions would have started. They were started to stop him politically. So he could have simply avoided them by simply not running or signalling that he wouldn't run. It's no surprise most of the prosecutions all started late.


As for polishing his Money Making Brand, that's just silly. I don't understand how so many don't see it. He is a 78 year old billionaire... Money is NOT the motivating factor for running...it's obvious what he wants...

A Political Legacy and Adulation of fans...

Those are the 2 things he has been chasing for over a decade. If you fed him some Truth Serum, I'd bet money he'd say what he wants is for the Trump name to be thought of likethe Kennedy name. That's what he really wants! A last legacy. Being a random rich guy doesn't give you that.

3. Wildcard: Yes, on this Foggy is right. He is a wildcard. And he generally intends to break things that haven't worked for ages and bust up traditions that have coalesced around a particular type in Washington for generations.

4. His Policy and Lack of interest in doing work. This also is partly true. Donald Trump himself has little interest in the day to day grind of. Government work. That's not his forte. But we've has a President that did absolutely no work for 4 years so that shouldn't be much of an issue.

But what Donald Trump wants to do is appoint passionate people who have severe and well documented criticisms of certain branches of government that he agrees with, and have those people reorganize how things ought to be done in those departments.

Take any of his cabinet picks ( outside of the Department of Education - which he is clearly in favor of abolishing), any of the others. And simply go Google any long form interviews they've done. on the last 5 years. Ir easily becomes clear why they are on his list.

What you'd find is a throve of videos of them discussing the problems with the very department Trump is now putting them up to lead. They all have strong views about different aspects of the organization they are being tasked to oversee.

Pete Hegseth DOD
Kash Patel: FBI
Tulsi Gabbard: DNI
RFK: HHS
Even the Matt Gaetz at DOJ before he resigned nominations... And on and on....

They all fit the same model, have a passion for how they think that particular organization should be reformed.

Then there is Vivek and Elon at DOGE recommending cuts to the government everywhere. Even Bernie Sanders and a few other populist lefties have gotten on board the idea

From a Bird's eye view, what Trump represents is an Extreme Reformer who is seeking Personal Legacy... Whether he succeeds or fails is a 50/50 proposition. But what he is about to attempt seems pretty massive.

Here are definite predictions. He WILL NOT seek a 3rd term. He'd be 82. The idea he will is so silly. Dude isn't really a politician. People forget that.

And he'd attempt a massive government reform in the next 2 years. Some will be successful and others will get massive push back from entrenched interests.

On the economic front, he'll pass a tax break measure, he'll cut regulations related to oil exploration and production, then on the Presidential Front, he'll sign a bunch of orders to repeat all of Biden's dumb border orders.

Tariffs are going to be a big issue. It's clear he wants to use them as a negotiation tool. But leftists will whine about it so much that they'll probably give away the leverage and force him to backdown before the other countries make concessions.

In Foreign Policy: He'll negotiate his ass off to end the Ukraine/Russia war. And take a no nonsense attitude towards Iran and Qatar as it relates to releasing American born hostages in Hamas's camps.

While all that is going on, the other team will do their best to undermine everything he tries and they'll ascribe some negative personal interest to every action he takes.


One thing is for sure, it's going to be a roller coaster ride the next 2 years. But as it relates to Americans, he needs to speed up the economic recovery ( so it's not just paper good) and shut the border down and remove as many criminals who entered over the last 4 years.
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A fair point on two years vs four.

I would bet he’s not a billionaire equity-wise. Asset-wise — especially using his valuation of his trade name — for sure. And I am quite certain his running he sees as a chance to boost his liquidity.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
A fair point on two years vs four.

I would bet he’s not a billionaire equity-wise. Asset-wise — especially using his valuation of his trade name — for sure. And I am quite certain his running he sees as a chance to boost his liquidity.
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Fair enough. I used billionaire to indicate he is rich enough. It's not like he can ever out-rich the Elon's and Amazon's of this world. So chasing 'more wealth ' at 78 just doesn't suffice for me as a legitimate reason.

Id grant the not going to jail part, might...
 
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